The emperor has no clothes: Jemima Sumgong has tested positive for EPO!!!

It is apparent that Sprintgeezer's hiatus was real, evidenced by his incorrect spelling of moran.

Once again Canova, I admit that I have no specific knowledge about any distance elites and doping, apart from publicly-available positive tests.

I really don't have any specifics, or experience in this area. I have always tried to give you the benefit of the doubt because I think your style is fun.

Fun, but not serious. You are hardly original. You come from a long line of similar people, those who try to make it through the world on personality and charisma rather than on substance.

Look, I KNOW things are almost impossible in Italy, with the mandatory nepotism, and the love of Italians for spinning a good yarn. In fact, you have a word for this, I will look it up and get back to you. It is an essential part of being an Italian, and you know it.

Like I said there is a great term for this, I will ask some friends and post it, if you don't post it first.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

I have been telling you guys that everybody at the top of the sprint world has been using for years, and that everybody 9.80 or below has used. They have all been caught except for Bolt, who is untouchable.

I have a specific basis for belief in the sprints, but no equivalent one in distance...but I do suspect that it is the same party, with a different cocktail.

You guys will hopefully learn to still enjoy the performances, while still calling out the obvious cheats, and recognizing that their cheating IS obvious. It's not common-sense, all it requires is to hold denial is abeyance.!

I believe the Pharma companies are way ahead of these Anti-Doping Officials.

There are designer drugs that are given to specific athletes to enhance/maintain their performance. Do you ever wonder why certain individuals are dominant in certain events.

Take a look at Beijing 2015 W200m. Am I to believe that the 1 and 2 are GREAT SPRINTERS who were not administered Special PEDs PRIOR TO THE START OF THAT RACE.

People need to pay attention and observe the athlete's body language during the phases of the race.

Renato Canova wrote:

I confirm that the fact EPO doesn't produce any improvement in athletes born, living and training with continuity in altitude, if their training is proper, is an idea I matured after more than 30 years of experience with top athletes in altitude, before with Italians (in this case for periods of about 3 weeks, repeated several times in one season), after with Kenyans and Ethiopians, with a period with Chinese too.

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So this is just your opinion. Do you have any proof? Do you understand that without any proof no one will believe you? Have you tested EPO on top runners in the world and seen no improvement?

I think we need to ban the placebo effect. This stuff is out of control.

Good points!

If we just consider the times they have run, Dennis Kimetto and Geoffrey Mutai seem to have reached 100.1% of the performance of the "elite" marathoners - assuming the monk-like Kipchoge is Canova's prototype of the real elite that is supposedly doping-free due to a lifetime of preparation to handle the hard training, and the other two are the best examples of the sudden late-20s bloomers that took the EPO option.

Even if (and it's a big if) I think this idea has some merit, looking from the outside, I see a lot more Kimettos than Kipchoges in the 2:04 and better marathon runners all-time list.

+1

What do they say, shit doesn't taste like chicken. You just keep serving it up.

And your an expert? Moronic you at your best.

So you don't believe in what Kenyan say, but you believe in what an unknown Kenyan said in the documentary of Seppelt for ARD TV, after being paid for saying what Seppelt told him to say ?

Renato Canova wrote:

So you don't believe in what Kenyan say, but you believe in what an unknown Kenyan said in the documentary of Seppelt for ARD TV, after being paid for saying what Seppelt told him to say ?

I believe that another athlete has joined the bus load of doping positives from Kenya.

Hardly anyone who takes EPO gets caught because you have to be a moron to test positive. So the positives we're seeing are the tip of the iceberg.

But I guess her Olympic gold is still earned and honest because the fact that she's a filthy dope cheat didn't make a difference?

Just like the racewalker who hired a haematologist in order to 'prove that he was clean' (and then tested positive). Genius stuff.

What a joy it is to watch Canova spinning and spinning. The Olympic Marathon Champion is No True Elite Athlete! It is to laugh.

Every hobby jogger who has honestly tested the limits of their body is a finer athlete than Sumgong.

She's still better than Mike Rossi, though.

this is hilarious. sprint-moron, who think's donavon bailey was clean, arguing with Canova, who thinks EPO doesn't work on Kenyans lol.

trollism wrote:

Hardly anyone who takes EPO gets caught because you have to be a moron to test positive. So the positives we're seeing are the tip of the iceberg.

+1

But what is an athlete to do? Looking at Sumgong and Jeptoo, who went with EPO from 2:29 to 2:20 or 2:25 or 2:22 (?) to 2:18, what would a clean 2:22 runner do? Keep losing, or start using and then winning (medals, majors, big bucks)?

In turn, what does that imply about current 2:22 runners? Did they get there from 2:32, or haven't they started doping yet? If the latter, then for instance Shalane and others could all go under 2:20, if they wanted to?

I believe this is a classical chain effect. Except for the magical/clean 2:15 - 2:17 women, who are winning anyways, all sub-2:30 women stand to gain hundreds of thousands of dollars from participating in this dirty business.

how do you know that he was paid by Seppelt?

trollism wrote:

Hardly anyone who takes EPO gets caught because you have to be a moron to test positive. So the positives we're seeing are the tip of the iceberg.

Can you inform us on the careless mistakes Sumgong made that led to her testing positive?

Jeff Wigand wrote:

trollism wrote:

Hardly anyone who takes EPO gets caught because you have to be a moron to test positive. So the positives we're seeing are the tip of the iceberg.

Can you inform us on the careless mistakes Sumgong made that led to her testing positive?

She tested positive for EPO, not a bio passport infringement, so she clearly had the injection too close to a time where she could be tested.

EPO has a fairly short glow time, and microdosing it you should never be in danger of being caught.

Let me say this and end it... if an elite athlete is not willing to publicly share what he takes for performance or recovery, consider that athlete Doping.

I said this a few weeks before this athlete tested positive, and I am still saying it again. It's has been clearly shown that athletes can take illegal drugs by simply writing a doctors note... very stupid by WADA to allow sick athletes to risk their health by racing (note i said racing, not running).

There seems to be rules, but... the are no rules. No rules. This is the simplest thing but WADA (IAAF and IOC) is simply not willing to protect clean athletes.

Letsrun is the cesspool of the internet, on course for total destruction of athletics.