UPenn swimmer comes out as trans / switches to women's team after competing on men's team for 3 years and is dominating NCAA

dhe8282uehdh wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Let's be more specific. What would be a possible compromise as to whether a transgender athlete can compete in NCAA sports?

Is anyone arguing there shouldn't be a medical sign-off for a HS transgender athlete. It's a very reasonable requirement. Regardless, there won't be imposters. Doing so would ruin their lives.

I don't follow your thoughts on abortion. Isn't there a now a big push for Roe v Wade to be overturned by the Supreme Court?

I don't think it would ruin their lives. They would obviously be faking it and most people would applaud the audacity. It isn't like anyone would believe they actually thought they were female. I mean, that is lunacy.

People would applaud their audacity? Just about everyone would effing hate them but you would be in the stands cheering them on? Thomas is taking a lot of heat and she actually is a transgender female.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

dhe8282uehdh wrote:

I don't think it would ruin their lives. They would obviously be faking it and most people would applaud the audacity. It isn't like anyone would believe they actually thought they were female. I mean, that is lunacy.

People would applaud their audacity? Just about everyone would effing hate them but you would be in the stands cheering them on? Thomas is taking a lot of heat and she actually is a transgender female.

You are missing the point. Thomas is taking heat because he a truly believes he is a she. If he was a he just pretending we would all be in on the joke and appreciate a bunch of dudes taking women's scholarships be ause they can.

It should force the NCAA to make changes.

She at least needs to try and hold back a little! This is a mockery

Lmao. What a time to be alive.

came to say wrote:

People on the left are the most evil despicable people in the world. The only way they can live with their extreme immorality is by pretending. They either pretend this is normal or pretend the things they voted for had nothing to do with this outcome. Every thing they claim to love they actually hate. In this case equal rights for women.

Well said, and nuts to boot.

liar soorer wrote:

UberTruth OnceAgain wrote:

Agree completely. I would only add that, as obviously troubled as this young man is, he is not as mentally and/or emotionally disturbed as those in the NCAA who support this nonsense. What excuse do they have?

Troubled young man !!

Back to the 50’s again.

I suppose you think homosexuals can be cured.

For my part, no, I'm afraid that in most cases homosexuals are far too broken to be "cured." It's often very tragic, and I have nothing but sympathy for them.

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

liar soorer wrote:

Go away; you only post to irritate.

I agree that Lance fanboy only posts to irritate other people.

That's why I think the best way to treat his posts is ignoring them.

If no one responds to his posts, he will eventually get tired of talking to himself.

But ignoring them is the one thing you guys can't do - as you've shown yet again. You can't cope with being disagreed with.

dhe8282uehdh wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

People would applaud their audacity? Just about everyone would effing hate them but you would be in the stands cheering them on? Thomas is taking a lot of heat and she actually is a transgender female.

You are missing the point. Thomas is taking heat because he a truly believes he is a she. If he was a he just pretending we would all be in on the joke and appreciate a bunch of dudes taking women's scholarships be ause they can.

It should force the NCAA to make changes.

So destroy the sport to use as leverage to get one transgender swimmer banned? Are the women losing the scholarships on board with your plan?

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The current NCAA rules for transgender athletes have been in place for 10 years so what makes you think college sports are going to suddenly be taken over by transgender athletes?

* There are twice as many transgenders today in America as there were 10 years ago.

* 10 years ago, it would have been considered unsportsmanlike and weird for a biological male to identify as a female and demolish females in combat or physical contests. Today, a large fraction of the population cheers it on as a symbol of "progress."

liar soorer wrote:

UberTruth OnceAgain wrote:

Agree completely. I would only add that, as obviously troubled as this young man is, he is not as mentally and/or emotionally disturbed as those in the NCAA who support this nonsense. What excuse do they have?

Troubled young man !!

Back to the 50’s again.

I suppose you think homosexuals can be cured.

I do not suppose but am pretty sure that you could be persuaded to believe that tying a feather duster to a dog's tail makes it a peacock.

And do you think no homosexual ever abandoned homosexuality for heterosexuality? I would call that a cure.

Armstronglivs wrote:

The issue isn't size per se but the combined physiological advantages of maleness. Bikile is not a big athlete but the advantages of male muscle development, bone structure, and heart and lung capacity made him an immeasurably better athlete than any woman could be, including those of a bigger stature.

Just looking at this, is it not high time that the gender categories need to be reconsidered? It's seems so hard to draw the line based on physical advantages because pretty much any runner, regardless of their gender, could say that Bekele has physical advantages compared to them therefore they should be not be having to compete in the same category...

What about removing gender categories completely from sports and just introduce more competition class categories based on performance? But give the winners of these categories equal praise. Winners of one category get moved up a class the in the next competition and the slowest finishers in one category move down to the category below. This way every competitor, regardless of their gender, will have the best chance to perform with their peers of similar ability and they will bring out the best in each other. It just seems the fairest way forward and completely removes this transgender issue without any prejudice.

This is not a good solution. I have said in this thread often that we don’t need to decide policy based on fairness. I SHOULD lose to Bekele. Don’t try to create a situation where I can beat him or even achieve some victory that gets “equal praise.” That is more damaging to the very core of sport than Lia Thomas swimming an okay 200m freestyle.

The driving factor behind any decision is about who is allowed to compete, not giving as many people as possible access to winning. Lia Thomas is a woman. We already have a category for women. Her competing does not stop any other woman from competing. A woman may finish one place worse in competition because she shows up. That’s okay. I’ve run 1000s of races and lost most of them. I did not cry about it and demand that the race be made more “fair” so I won more often.

Kind of a maven wrote:

liar soorer wrote:

Troubled young man !!

Back to the 50’s again.

I suppose you think homosexuals can be cured.

I do not suppose but am pretty sure that you could be persuaded to believe that tying a feather duster to a dog's tail makes it a peacock.

And do you think no homosexual ever abandoned homosexuality for heterosexuality? I would call that a cure.

Go back to the 50’s

You really have no place discussing sports. You completely fail to understand that fairness is crucial. It is why athletes compete in age, weight and sex categories. It is why athletes cannot gain advantage by running out of their lanes, and why relay batons must be passed within a prescribed distance. It is why competitors in most sports have to use equipment that conforms to the same technical requirements. It is why doping is banned from sports. It is why marathon runners can't hop in a car to shorten part of the distance. It is why bowlers in cricket have to bowl and not throw the ball. It is why basketballers cannot impede another player without incurring a foul. It is why runners cannot obstruct or interfere with another runner. It is the guiding principle in all sports - because without it the best cannot emerge. At every level of race, it is the principle that says only the fastest will win and not the athlete who has cheated or gained an unfair advantage. It isn't about whether a nonentity such as yourself might beat Bekele but that when Bekele races the best the winner will be decided by talent and nothing else. It is why males have in most sports not been able to compete against females. That you cannot grasp this shows that you have no understanding of the fundamentals of sport.

It doesn't matter to a person like you that there will be women who will lose to these men - which is what transwomen are biologically - or that women may be denied a place in the competition so a male can compete. But what is truly ironic is that as a champion of these "women" you would readily sacrifice other women to your shallow values of inclusivity at all costs, regardless of the consequences - and that you do this as a man. There is a term for this. It is called misogyny.

If you based categories for competition on performance levels women would never feature at the elite level. They would be competing against 14 year-old schoolboys. That isn't the answer. They are entitled to their own category as women.

Hardloper wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The current NCAA rules for transgender athletes have been in place for 10 years so what makes you think college sports are going to suddenly be taken over by transgender athletes?

* There are twice as many transgenders today in America as there were 10 years ago.

* 10 years ago, it would have been considered unsportsmanlike and weird for a biological male to identify as a female and demolish females in combat or physical contests. Today, a large fraction of the population cheers it on as a symbol of "progress."

Few people are "cheering" on transgender athletes. For at least halfway serious sports fans, a level playing field is wanted and that's why athletes that use PEDs are shunned. I went to an A's/Brewers game and Ryan Braun was loudly booed every time he batted.

California doesn't require hormone treatments for HS transgender athletes and I'm not aware of even one. If there is one she's not competitive. The truth is that at a HS, a transger person is more likely to be bullied than celebrated and the last thing they would want to do is bring more attention to themselves by competing in a sport.

came to say wrote:

People on the left are the most evil despicable people in the world. The only way they can live with their extreme immorality is by pretending. They either pretend this is normal or pretend the things they voted for had nothing to do with this outcome. Every thing they claim to love they actually hate. In this case equal rights for women.

Not every left -leaning person agrees with this. In fact the numbers tell you a majority of left-leaning people aren't in favor of this. Either way, THIS makes them the most despicable? How so? What's more despicable, 'pretending to be a woman so that you can be successful at sports' or 'doing things that endangers the lives of others?'