Alec Baldwin just shot and KILLED a woman on a movie set

that's really sad wrote:

umm, nope wrote:

How do you people think movies get made? Is every camera shot just like a stick drawing with al lthe people in it?

It seems quite obvious that this was a generic movie reverse shot, whre the camera is focused on the actor, who looks like he's looking directly at th eother person, when he's actually facing the camera. He shoots in that direction, and it looks like he's shooting the other character.

And who would be standing near the camera?

The director.

And the cinematographer.

This site is like what would happen if RedState had a sports section.

+1 Couldn't be more obvious, but there are a lot of knuckleheads here.

You are both the knuckleheads...

"And who would be standing near the camera?

The director.

And the cinematographer."

Do you know a camera can and should be operated without someone behind it if you are firing a gun at it? That or you place a protective barrier so incase there's some sort of freak accident, like there somehow being a live round in the chamber, nobody dies.

It's gun safety 101, c'mon man!

Flagpole wrote:

From the 90s wrote:

The irony is how liberal Hollywood preaches anti gun yet their movies are filled with gun violence. Guns used safely to hunt and protect oneself are appropriate. However they rarely portray this responsible use of them. Looks like Baldwin’s chickens have come home too roost.

What crap. Guns and violence are part of story telling. You can be 100% against owning most or even all guns and still make a movie that involves guns. Giving Baldwin any grief here is so unkind to say the least. Until we hear otherwise, this appears to have been a tragic accident, and he was reportedly in tears and grief-stricken. Have some humanity.

While agree this is tragic. It is almost 100% his fault for not following basic firearm safety. I don't care who was supposed to have checked the firearm. He didn't check it, and he didn't treat it as if it were loaded. Look what happened because of that...Just because he's filming on a set, and using a "prop gun" doesn't mean he shouldn't practice safe handling of a firearm, especially if his "prop gun" is a real and functioning gun.

You do know if someone say like Baldwin, wants to make stories involving guns, he doesn't have to use real guns. Once again, especially if he can't follow basic safety procedures.

high school xc coach wrote:

not a fan of baldwin and his self righteous politics, especially considering that he is widely reported to be an a-hole. but I just can't attack him over this. it's tragic for all parties involved.

that's not to say there wouldn't be a million people on the left exclaiming their vitriol towards a Donald Trump if the same thing happened to him.

This isn't a left/right problem. It's a human problem.

While I feel bad for him, it is his fault.

I'm assuming he killed someone who was a close friend of his. It's tragic for everyone involved. The worst part is it was easily preventable.

rojo wrote:

phony al wrote:

mr liberal gun control guy cant practice what he preaches all over about all the gun control and all the liberal stuff canceling the second amendment and those who practice it

Why are people trying to make this some political thing? It's a tragedy. But if you are going to make it political, i this supports his belief in in gun control. As even a prop gun is dangerous.

You are so far off on this one rojo...This does not support his belief in gun control in the slightest. One has nothing to do with the other. He didn't follow gun safety 101. If your "prop gun" happens to be a "real" gun, no shyt it's dangerous, if he had treated it as such he wouldn't have killed Halyna.

Guns are meant to be lethal, it's kind of the point. That's why being a responsible gun owner is important. Maybe if more people educated themselves we'd have less accidental shootings, less crime, and more law abiding citizens. Throw some progressive policies in their too and maybe people would feel less of a need to commit crimes to get by in life too(if that floats your boat).

America's fury wrote:

Anyone handling a real gun should have basic safety training. I doubt that Mr. Baldwin did?

Also, i wonder if we're going to see a push to ban guns from movies or movie sets? Happens everywhere else when a gun kills someone.

The worst part is he did have safety training with firearms...

Flagpole wrote:

Robson Street . wrote:

Baldwin can't tell what is kind or unkind . His comedy is based on mocking a personality trait of others . He is crying because he is a killer , a reckless person who should be punished for negligence . Those who work in production know he was to safety check the firearm . Watch this cold blooded person lawyer up and focus blame on others .

Wow. Such crap. ALL Presidents are made fun of by comedians and sketch comedy. Bill Clinton, Obama, Jimmy Carter...ALL of them.

Baldwin was involved in a terrible accident. There is no way he is culpable here, and for you to bring up what you think of him as a person shows a huge lack of empathy or humanity on your part. You need some serious self-reflection.

Poor Baldwin, he's the victim...I didn't know.

Flagpole wrote:

rgw wrote:

You are a disgusting hypocrite.

Of course this was an accident and giving Baldwin any grief is wrong.

But you are the moron who insulted a recently deceased mother because she was unvaccinated. You showed zero humanity.

You are a hypocrite.

THAT woman not only didn't protect herself and her family (she was HUGELY irresponsible here because she had two small special needs children who needed her to be alive), but she also preached to others not to get vaccinated. ALSO, I am SO SAD that she died. I wish she hadn't. That doesn't negate the fact that she was a MORON for not protecting herself and her family.

I'm using your logic here...

Baldwin not only didn't protect himself and those in his vicinity with his firearm but instead shot them accidentily( he was HUGELY irresponsible here because he was wielding a firearm negligently regardless of the fact that he didn't know it was loaded), but he also preached to others for gun control. ALSO, I am SO SAD that Halyna died. I wish she hadn't. That doesn't negate the fact that Baldwin is a MORON for not following gun safety 101 and killed someone due to his negligence.

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Flagpole says to give Baldwin any grief is so unkind to say the least. Oh, poor little Alec.

"He pointed a loaded gun at two people and fired." (quote)

That is misleading. He pointed a gun that he was told was not loaded, as part of a role he was performing. He didn't point it at two people - the same projectile that killed one person wounded another. None of it was intentional or predictable, as the gun was declared unloaded and safe. The same would have happened if by mistake a loaded weapon was put in the hands of any other actor as part of their role. It could have been the Lone Ranger, Dirty Harry, Bruce Willis et al. It happened to be Alec Baldwin. It does not make him cuplable. The screw-up was in the failure by those supplying the prop to check it.

Nope. Your opinion is crap. Prop Master is responsible. Actors are not responsible for that. He's not responsible for this tragedy...at least as far as we know today.

Nope. My logic does not fit there. Not his responsibility. Organizations can not operate efficiently if responsibility isn't doled out. Prop Master was responsible. There is no equivalence there.

Do you really think all those actors letting fly with their firearms in Westerns over the years were checking them? That was the job of those who gave them the firearms. The actors would naturally assume they were given props only. And they were. Cases like this are incredibly rare.

He was told the gun was safe and therefore unloaded. So he shouldn't believe what the assistant director said who supplied it? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

danube steak wrote:

Hurno wrote:

While agree this is tragic. It is almost 100% his fault for not following basic firearm safety. I don't care who was supposed to have checked the firearm. He didn't check it, and he didn't treat it as if it were loaded. Look what happened because of that...Just because he's filming on a set, and using a "prop gun" doesn't mean he shouldn't practice safe handling of a firearm, especially if his "prop gun" is a real and functioning gun.

You do know if someone say like Baldwin, wants to make stories involving guns, he doesn't have to use real guns. Once again, especially if he can't follow basic safety procedures.

Flagpole says to give Baldwin any grief is so unkind to say the least. Oh, poor little Alec.

It is incredible how unkind that statement is. He was given a prop weapon that he was told was "cold". It is NOT his responsibility to check that gun, and NO ONE who is an actor does that...they rely on the prop experts, as they should. This was a tragic accident, and I'm sure he feels horrible about it. It is amazing to me that you can't imagine being an actor and being given a prop gun that you were told was "cold" and then you fire it as you are supposed to do as part of the scene, and due to someone else's negligence, someone is killed. To put any of this on his shoulders (UNLESS HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE WHOLE PRODUCTION AND CREATED THE SITUATION THAT LED TO THIS PROP MISHAP), is wrong and unkind. Even IF you believe that he is a prick (because he IS a prick). How you can't have some sympathy for him in this situation is insane.

You are a first-time bungee chord jumper jumping off a bridge a mile high. The people operating the jump have told you that you are ready to go. Are you not going to look down to make sure the bungee chord is attached to your ankle?

Yep. Organizations run because people have certain jobs that they do. It is NOT the job of an actor to check on the safety of a prop gun. You have to rely on the expertise of others. To give Baldwin any grief over this is so unbelievably unkind. Christians should pray for him. Atheists (and everyone) should feel horrible for him and support him.

But he is a liberal. That makes him tantamount to a criminal here.

The master armor lady (or whatever she is called) previously voiced concern about her ability to do the job. Alec should have know about this is and should have double-checked the gun himself.