Full Shelby Houlihan Report is Out from CAS

xctrackfan wrote:

I really wonder when her last legit clean race was?

2017. It’s pretty obvious when looking at her times.

unbelief wrote:

there was no sabotage, clown!

non asserted, non presented

That’s why I am asserting it.

Almost impossible to prove and the good ones had a chance .

Taking a short break ; got to get more water in my squirting flower !

unbelief wrote:

Exactly!

Heres a fun game:

Google “shelby houlihan rio 2016” and go to images

then

google “shelby houlihan world champs” and go to images

see anything different? SH body mysteriously transformed, with the dead eyes of a doper and all

+1 It’s so obvious. Now do the same with “Elise Cranny Stanford” and “Elise Cranny Olympics”.

tell the truth wrote:

sanootage wrote:

If she was cheating with N then she would say she never heard of it exactly as she would say she never heard of it if she had not cheated.

I would add that they may well be able to detect grand daughter metabolites and thus a cheat with any brain would stay a million miles away from it.

Most prob would think about the S23 the Uk sprinter got done for.

If she had not cheated why would she - and more specifically, her coach - state they had never heard of N. It would have been more credible to acknowledge they were familiar with it, which is why they would never knowingly go anywhere near it. Her coach claiming to have never heard of the drug made it seem like they were hiding something.

Tautological

Did you listen to the bullsh*t lance said before everything came down on him? If you listen to what the athletes/coaches say without a great amount of skepticism then you aren’t they bright. They might be telling the truth but you definitely shouldn’t assume that

briswiss wrote:

Did you listen to the bullsh*t lance said before everything came down on him? If you listen to what the athletes/coaches say without a great amount of skepticism then you aren’t they bright. They might be telling the truth but you definitely shouldn’t assume that

Utterly sceptical, even about sabotage.

She maintains her innocense and is appealing to the Swiss Tribunal:

https://athleticsillustrated.com/shelby-houlihans-next-step-appeal-to-the-swiss-federal-tribunal/

you don't say wrote:

The question that she was asked and her allegedly truthful answer that she did not knowingly ingest nandro leads one to logically conclude that a tainted drug cocktail or illegal supplement could very well be the culprit if you accept the results of the polygraph.

In retrospect this seems pretty dang clear to me that Shelby was pushing the limits somehow. I believe that oral nandrolone is not the optimal drug of choice for a runner like her. I also believe that there's no way she got the nandrolone system in her system from the burrito. It's almost guaranteed that her defense team put their heads together, did some research, and came up with the burrito idea based on the facts they knew were within their disposal and the research available online. But the burrito idea is bogus.

So, how'd she get it?

She could have been on a drug cocktail where an error in the production caused the cocktail to contain the nandrolone. She could have been pushing the limit on sketchy supplements (like Nike athletes have been known to do with thyroid medication and asthma medication) that was tainted with nandrolone. I strongly believe something like this is what happened to her. It doesn't really matter to me.

Someone erase her American bogus records !!

Wet Coast wrote:

She maintains her innocense and is appealing to the Swiss Tribunal:

https://athleticsillustrated.com/shelby-houlihans-next-step-appeal-to-the-swiss-federal-tribunal/

Interesting, I think they will only hear a case based on procedural matters. I wonder what they might be.

Needs an attack on strict liability.

unbelief wrote:

Exactly!

Heres a fun game:

Google “shelby houlihan rio 2016” and go to images

then

google “shelby houlihan world champs” and go to images

see anything different? SH body mysteriously transformed, with the dead eyes of a doper and all

This 1000%. Her transformation was insane.

Harambe wrote:

jewbacca wrote:

Where does this expert witness provide scientific literature backing up her conjecture? CAS considers consensus amongst the scientific community based on the literature, not the conjecture of somebody opining on the subject.

There is, however, ample literature backing up the conclusions reached by the lab, and thereby, CAS.

Basic scientific principles tell you that a diet with more C3 plants is going to give you a higher IRMS delta. So, the higher the soy:corn ratio, the higher the IRMS delta.

McGlone concedes that more soy was added to feed during the pandemic due to supply chain issues.

It's definitely not unsupported conjecture and considering how ubiquitous soy is as an animal feed in the US, there's substantial doubt in the 'certainty' of non-natural IRMS values.

This makes for a compelling hypothesis, yes. Where is the data backing it up? I'm sorry, but without peer-reviewed studies, this isn't going to fly.

For example, here's an easy way to refute this expert witness' claim. I found in the literature a C13 for soy of -26%. Endogenous steroid was -19% in the Houlihan case. IIRC domestic pork is in the same range. Hers was measured at less than -23%. How does a 10% increase in soy feed swing the C13 numbers so far?

America's fury wrote:

They keep throwing the term "authentic" around. What exactly do they mean by that?

It's dumb as hell because burritos aren't authentic Mexican food anyway.

We must have missed it -- were you a witness in this proceeding?

Rememberer wrote:

unbelief wrote:

Exactly!

Heres a fun game:

Google “shelby houlihan rio 2016” and go to images

then

google “shelby houlihan world champs” and go to images

see anything different? SH body mysteriously transformed, with the dead eyes of a doper and all

This 1000%. Her transformation was insane.

Dead eyes of a drug taker; what from taking health giving drugs?

Grow up.

It’s not interesting at all. Not sure why people can’t understand this. Wearing the shoes is out in the open and everyone would know. She obviously didn’t want to be one of these athletes being hassled about her shoes. The other, taking peds, is private. Her fans and the public have no idea.

The fact that she didn’t wear the shoes so she wouldn’t take peds makes zero sense to me. It makes perfect sense why she would do exactly what she did.

She’s dirty. Who tf cares?! Only thing I can’t stand is these other athletes who are all for a “clean sport” and love tweeting about other athletes but when their friend gets busted it’s silence. Effn hate those people.

Peds are without a doubt great for all sports including T&F. The faster ya accept it the better it will be for the sport.

Health giving drugs?

FFS are you using a dictation device? Your grammar and syntax is dog S

sanootage wrote:

Wet Coast wrote:

She maintains her innocense and is appealing to the Swiss Tribunal:

https://athleticsillustrated.com/shelby-houlihans-next-step-appeal-to-the-swiss-federal-tribunal/

Interesting, I think they will only hear a case based on procedural matters. I wonder what they might be.

Needs an attack on strict liability.

The legal costs she’s going to incur may be more money than she made from running. Good luck but her fate is sealed.