Biden kept some of his in a garage in a house he loaned to a literal crack addict for the family discount rate of $50k a month.
Biden's situation is MUCH MUCH worse even if your bubble is unaware of it.
And when The Feds asked for them back, Biden returned them, and invited the FBI to search his house. Same with Pence and others.
DJT lied, saying he didn't have the documents, moved them around Mar a Lardo with co-conspirators, and ultimately the Feds had to raid his home/massage parlour to get them back. Theft and conspiracy. Pretty serious.
Don't follow A-Dolt down his idiotic rabbit holes. Make him refute the actual writen charges that Trump is charged with. Not the ones he has circling in his brain to try to get a false equivalency with Biden and Pence. He won't do it. He goes to the straw man charges every time.
BTW, it is hilarious that Trump today said he was going to appeal this timeline by the Judge in his Insurrection trial. No you aren't donny. You can't appeal the judges schedule.
(I suspect that Trump was told that by his lawyer that their court stated protest of the fast court timeline was going to be helpful on appeal. But Trump is too stupid to know what that means and thinks it means they are appealing the timeline. Because Trump does not listen to anyone and he is an idiot. And our Trumpers want him back in office).
Biden kept some of his in a garage in a house he loaned to a literal crack addict for the family discount rate of $50k a month.
Biden's situation is MUCH MUCH worse even if your bubble is unaware of it.
And when The Feds asked for them back, Biden returned them, and invited the FBI to search his house. Same with Pence and others.
DJT lied, saying he didn't have the documents, moved them around Mar a Lardo with co-conspirators, and ultimately the Feds had to raid his home/massage parlour to get them back. Theft and conspiracy. Pretty serious.
He knows all that, having been informed and corrected many, many times. He ignores corrections and just deflects, changes the topic, lies about something else, and then re-posts the same lies he was corrected on a few days later. So don't bother correcting him unless you want to express a point for the benefit of others. It's better to just use AdultRoom as an internet punching bag of sorts.
And when The Feds asked for them back, Biden returned them, and invited the FBI to search his house. Same with Pence and others.
DJT lied, saying he didn't have the documents, moved them around Mar a Lardo with co-conspirators, and ultimately the Feds had to raid his home/massage parlour to get them back. Theft and conspiracy. Pretty serious.
He knows all that, having been informed and corrected many, many times. He ignores corrections and just deflects, changes the topic, lies about something else, and then re-posts the same lies he was corrected on a few days later. So don't bother correcting him unless you want to express a point for the benefit of others. It's better to just use AdultRoom as an internet punching bag of sorts.
It is quite obvious that he is doing the right wing spin playbook. Publicly refute things that Trump is not even charged with and say Biden did worse. (Wash, rinse, repeat)
None of these right wingers are even attempting to refute the written charges themselves. And they won't because they can't. Hell Trump's lawyers can't either. So delay, delay, delay.
Every time a right winger deflects, bring them back to the actual charges. You will notice this.
You can repeat this all you want but you must know in your heart-of-hearts that no majority of Americans believes it or will ever believe it.
The Democratic Party has many, many faults, some moral and ethical, others strategic, but it just doesn't need to actually subvert the very thin and compromised liberal democracy that exists in the US in order to continue to win its little majorities. Simple cynicism and complacency on the part of the American electorate are more than sufficient for it to keep winning, particularly as long as its opponents persist in their delusions. But for a rapidly radicalizing and minoritarian American right, there is NO road to enduring power outside of a few backward states except through various types of outright suppression of the democratic will, up to and including Trump-style weaponization of state-level legislative majorities to subvert national level democracy. Their current talk (YOUR current talk) is simply no basis for creating new popular electoral majorities, and they know it.
I get that you're really, really angry that your values no longer appear to be enshrined as the official ones of the nation writ large, but the US will simply never be the country of your reactionary fantasies. In some way, everyone in the country is a "minority", or vulnerable to losing something they value. So it stands to reason that people will tend to support individual liberty, inclusion, and understanding as a default, and will only live otherwise if forced to. Force is thus the right's only option if it wants to go any further down the road its currently on.
You have absolutely no idea what a majority of Americans believe.
The notion that Democrats support individual liberty is absurd. You oppose free speech, you oppose a free press, and you oppose the 2nd amendment.
The only "liberty" you people support is the liberty of the drug addicted homeless to behave however they please, for children to be free to destroy their bodies permanently before they even hit puberty, and for "birthing people" to have the right to kill their baby at any moment right up until birth.
It's actually not that hard at all to figure out what the majority of Americans believe in terms of very broad values. Surveying values and opinions is not a new science, and you could always just look around a little bit. At, you know, your fellow citizens.
And I wasn't talking about "Democrats'" support for individual liberty. I was talking about Americans. And let's recall that a near majority of Americans have no formal political affiliation at all, the largest single party in any election anywhere being the "didn't vote" party. Americans of both broad political persuasions are very much inclined to support the constitutional rights of their fellow citizens. The evidence is literally everywhere one looks.
And no new mass electoral majorities will be created without mobilizing some portion of this non-engaged but voting-eligible population of citizens. You will NEVER do this successfully based on the kind of shrill, paranoid, narrow-minded discourse coming out of the right these days. With this tack, you're more likely to create new majorities on the other side.
You, personally, just need to find a way to communicate is a register other than hair-on-fire outrage if you want to actually learn anything about how your fellow citizens actually think.
And when The Feds asked for them back, Biden returned them, and invited the FBI to search his house. Same with Pence and others.
DJT lied, saying he didn't have the documents, moved them around Mar a Lardo with co-conspirators, and ultimately the Feds had to raid his home/massage parlour to get them back. Theft and conspiracy. Pretty serious.
He knows all that, having been informed and corrected many, many times. He ignores corrections and just deflects, changes the topic, lies about something else, and then re-posts the same lies he was corrected on a few days later. So don't bother correcting him unless you want to express a point for the benefit of others. It's better to just use AdultRoom as an internet punching bag of sorts.
You people are so dishonest it's sad.
Your ignorant opinions or the regurgitated opinions of other ignorant people aren't "corrections".
The issue people have with the prosecution of Trump is the DOUBLE STANDARD Democrats operate under at all times.
Biden stole classified documents. That's a crime even if you say "whoopsie" and cooperate when you get caught. Try robbing a bank and then take the money back 5 years later and see how that goes for you. The Biden DOJ would never even dream of prosecuting Biden despite the fact that he committed a more serious crime.
Hillary mishandled classified documents and then destroyed evidence while it was under subpoena. That's a felony. The Obama DOJ never even considered prosecuting her for a moment despite her crime being more serious than Trump's document "crime".
And when The Feds asked for them back, Biden returned them, and invited the FBI to search his house. Same with Pence and others.
DJT lied, saying he didn't have the documents, moved them around Mar a Lardo with co-conspirators, and ultimately the Feds had to raid his home/massage parlour to get them back. Theft and conspiracy. Pretty serious.
BTW, it is hilarious that Trump today said he was going to appeal this timeline by the Judge in his Insurrection trial. No you aren't donny. You can't appeal the judges schedule.
I suspect that Trump was told that by his lawyer that their court stated protest of the fast court timeline was going to be helpful on appeal. But Trump is too stupid to know what that means and thinks it means they are appealing the timeline. Because Trump does not listen to anyone and he is an idiot. And our Trumpers want him back in office.
I saw him say that I wondered what kind of crazy things his lawyers were telling him they were going to do. But yeah, that's so crazy, Trump must have misunderstood them.
One thing I've noticed recently, although I'm sure it's not new, is that Trump's diehard fans seem to believe that every single procedural or legal ruling that goes against him is some brand new rule created by Deep State specifically to persecute Trump. As if, for example, no criminal defendant in US history had ever had his proposed trial date rejected.
You have absolutely no idea what a majority of Americans believe.
The notion that Democrats support individual liberty is absurd. You oppose free speech, you oppose a free press, and you oppose the 2nd amendment.
The only "liberty" you people support is the liberty of the drug addicted homeless to behave however they please, for children to be free to destroy their bodies permanently before they even hit puberty, and for "birthing people" to have the right to kill their baby at any moment right up until birth.
It's actually not that hard at all to figure out what the majority of Americans believe in terms of very broad values. Surveying values and opinions is not a new science, and you could always just look around a little bit. At, you know, your fellow citizens.
And I wasn't talking about "Democrats'" support for individual liberty. I was talking about Americans. And let's recall that a near majority of Americans have no formal political affiliation at all, the largest single party in any election anywhere being the "didn't vote" party. Americans of both broad political persuasions are very much inclined to support the constitutional rights of their fellow citizens. The evidence is literally everywhere one looks.
And no new mass electoral majorities will be created without mobilizing some portion of this non-engaged but voting-eligible population of citizens. You will NEVER do this successfully based on the kind of shrill, paranoid, narrow-minded discourse coming out of the right these days. With this tack, you're more likely to create new majorities on the other side.
You, personally, just need to find a way to communicate is a register other than hair-on-fire outrage if you want to actually learn anything about how your fellow citizens actually think.
The tone you ascribe to my posts is your own.
If you think people come to internet forums to be educated or have their minds changed politically you're even more delusional than I thought.
He knows all that, having been informed and corrected many, many times. He ignores corrections and just deflects, changes the topic, lies about something else, and then re-posts the same lies he was corrected on a few days later. So don't bother correcting him unless you want to express a point for the benefit of others. It's better to just use AdultRoom as an internet punching bag of sorts.
You people are so dishonest it's sad.
Your ignorant opinions or the regurgitated opinions of other ignorant people aren't "corrections".
The issue people have with the prosecution of Trump is the DOUBLE STANDARD Democrats operate under at all times.
Biden stole classified documents. That's a crime even if you say "whoopsie" and cooperate when you get caught. Try robbing a bank and then take the money back 5 years later and see how that goes for you. The Biden DOJ would never even dream of prosecuting Biden despite the fact that he committed a more serious crime.
Hillary mishandled classified documents and then destroyed evidence while it was under subpoena. That's a felony. The Obama DOJ never even considered prosecuting her for a moment despite her crime being more serious than Trump's document "crime".
But then you DO believe that Trump did this too, correct? If so, then why not condemn both and demand better conduct from everyone? I don't see how you go from calling out hypocrisy to four-square support for Trump, including constantly reproducing his own insane view of reality vis elections, etc. Isn't THIS dishonesty when you claim you neither like nor support Trump.
"Democrats are hypocrites" is not in itself a political position.
I and many people like me would LOVE to see Biden indicted if anyone has the actual goods on him. But I think you and everyone else knows his worse "crime" is that he's just a sh*tty, old school, triangulating corporate Democrat who's only in office because he was deemed acceptable by middle class white voters afraid of having their taxes raised, and because Trumpism is and was a real threat to American civic life.
Your ignorant opinions or the regurgitated opinions of other ignorant people aren't "corrections".
The issue people have with the prosecution of Trump is the DOUBLE STANDARD Democrats operate under at all times.
Biden stole classified documents. That's a crime even if you say "whoopsie" and cooperate when you get caught. Try robbing a bank and then take the money back 5 years later and see how that goes for you. The Biden DOJ would never even dream of prosecuting Biden despite the fact that he committed a more serious crime.
Hillary mishandled classified documents and then destroyed evidence while it was under subpoena. That's a felony. The Obama DOJ never even considered prosecuting her for a moment despite her crime being more serious than Trump's document "crime".
But then you DO believe that Trump did this too, correct? If so, then why not condemn both and demand better conduct from everyone? I don't see how you go from calling out hypocrisy to four-square support for Trump, including constantly reproducing his own insane view of reality vis elections, etc. Isn't THIS dishonesty when you claim you neither like nor support Trump.
"Democrats are hypocrites" is not in itself a political position.
I and many people like me would LOVE to see Biden indicted if anyone has the actual goods on him. But I think you and everyone else knows his worse "crime" is that he's just a sh*tty, old school, triangulating corporate Democrat who's only in office because he was deemed acceptable by middle class white voters afraid of having their taxes raised, and because Trumpism is and was a real threat to American civic life.
It is insane than you think any non-Democrat would be okay with prosecuting Trump while giving Biden and Clinton a free pass so long as the government promises to "demand better conduct" going forward.
It is baffling how thick your bubble is that you think there's no evidence Biden committed any crimes at this point. Why does he lie repeatedly about having absolutely no involvement with his son's business dealings if there's no there there? Use some common sense.
Why is Hunter paying Joe's bills? Why do the Biden's have multiple shell companies? Why does Joe Biden have multiple pseudonyms for e-mail accounts he uses to discuss business with Hunter? Why are the HUNDREDS of suspicious activity reports on Biden transactions flagged by the US treasury? What is a crack addict with no marketable skills or expertise in any area doing making MILLIONS from foreign countries often shortly after he flies on Air Force 2 to that country with his father??
It's actually not that hard at all to figure out what the majority of Americans believe in terms of very broad values. Surveying values and opinions is not a new science, and you could always just look around a little bit. At, you know, your fellow citizens.
And I wasn't talking about "Democrats'" support for individual liberty. I was talking about Americans. And let's recall that a near majority of Americans have no formal political affiliation at all, the largest single party in any election anywhere being the "didn't vote" party. Americans of both broad political persuasions are very much inclined to support the constitutional rights of their fellow citizens. The evidence is literally everywhere one looks.
And no new mass electoral majorities will be created without mobilizing some portion of this non-engaged but voting-eligible population of citizens. You will NEVER do this successfully based on the kind of shrill, paranoid, narrow-minded discourse coming out of the right these days. With this tack, you're more likely to create new majorities on the other side.
You, personally, just need to find a way to communicate is a register other than hair-on-fire outrage if you want to actually learn anything about how your fellow citizens actually think.
The tone you ascribe to my posts is your own.
If you think people come to internet forums to be educated or have their minds changed politically you're even more delusional than I thought.
Also, you need to show and not just tell quite so much.
And I think we can speak for ourselves re: reasons for bothering here. But I would seriously like to know what it is you think you're accomplishing, for yourself or anyone else, if its not to teach people something about the way things really are. If you're just here to listen to yourself rant, or to scratch some rage itch, please do people the courtesy of at least acknowledging it.
But then you DO believe that Trump did this too, correct? If so, then why not condemn both and demand better conduct from everyone? I don't see how you go from calling out hypocrisy to four-square support for Trump, including constantly reproducing his own insane view of reality vis elections, etc. Isn't THIS dishonesty when you claim you neither like nor support Trump.
"Democrats are hypocrites" is not in itself a political position.
I and many people like me would LOVE to see Biden indicted if anyone has the actual goods on him. But I think you and everyone else knows his worse "crime" is that he's just a sh*tty, old school, triangulating corporate Democrat who's only in office because he was deemed acceptable by middle class white voters afraid of having their taxes raised, and because Trumpism is and was a real threat to American civic life.
It is insane than you think any non-Democrat would be okay with prosecuting Trump while giving Biden and Clinton a free pass so long as the government promises to "demand better conduct" going forward.
It is baffling how thick your bubble is that you think there's no evidence Biden committed any crimes at this point. Why does he lie repeatedly about having absolutely no involvement with his son's business dealings if there's no there there? Use some common sense.
Why is Hunter paying Joe's bills? Why do the Biden's have multiple shell companies? Why does Joe Biden have multiple pseudonyms for e-mail accounts he uses to discuss business with Hunter? Why are the HUNDREDS of suspicious activity reports on Biden transactions flagged by the US treasury? What is a crack addict with no marketable skills or expertise in any area doing making MILLIONS from foreign countries often shortly after he flies on Air Force 2 to that country with his father??
Well, if you're right about all this I hope they get him (Biden) in the end. But it took rather a lot, and quite a while, to finally corner Trump, so you might be looking at a few years. Hang in there!
In the meantime, they DO have the goods on Trump, volumes of them, so that will go the way it's going to go.
It is insane than you think any non-Democrat would be okay with prosecuting Trump while giving Biden and Clinton a free pass so long as the government promises to "demand better conduct" going forward.
It is baffling how thick your bubble is that you think there's no evidence Biden committed any crimes at this point. Why does he lie repeatedly about having absolutely no involvement with his son's business dealings if there's no there there? Use some common sense.
Why is Hunter paying Joe's bills? Why do the Biden's have multiple shell companies? Why does Joe Biden have multiple pseudonyms for e-mail accounts he uses to discuss business with Hunter? Why are the HUNDREDS of suspicious activity reports on Biden transactions flagged by the US treasury? What is a crack addict with no marketable skills or expertise in any area doing making MILLIONS from foreign countries often shortly after he flies on Air Force 2 to that country with his father??
Well, if you're right about all this I hope they get him (Biden) in the end. But it took rather a lot, and quite a while, to finally corner Trump, so you might be looking at a few years. Hang in there!
In the meantime, they DO have the goods on Trump, volumes of them, so that will go the way it's going to go.
The fact that this is all new information to you is the proof you're missing that the main stream media is very biased.
The "goods" they have on Trump all stem from YEARS of DOJ/FBI corruption and collusion with the media to attack the Democrats primary political opponent.
He knows all that, having been informed and corrected many, many times. He ignores corrections and just deflects, changes the topic, lies about something else, and then re-posts the same lies he was corrected on a few days later. So don't bother correcting him unless you want to express a point for the benefit of others. It's better to just use AdultRoom as an internet punching bag of sorts.
It is quite obvious that he is doing the right wing spin playbook. Publicly refute things that Trump is not even charged with and say Biden did worse. (Wash, rinse, repeat)
None of these right wingers are even attempting to refute the written charges themselves. And they won't because they can't. Hell Trump's lawyers can't either. So delay, delay, delay.
Every time a right winger deflects, bring them back to the actual charges. You will notice this.
The right wing Trump supporters do exactly what you two have accurately described. I also feel there has been a marked deterioration in posts by Trump supporters. They have become more and more troll like. As reality starts to creep in on them, their posts become increasingly more detached from reason. I have seen evidence presented to them and a few days later they ask for evidence as if they never saw it.
In many ways they are becoming more and more Trump like. Repeat a lie enough times and it becomes the truth? Also project the faults of Trump on to democrats. Also the demonization of others (another Trump tactic) suddenly we are all communists?
Biden had absolutely no authority to have them. He stole them and kept them unsecured for decades.
Evidence? DoJ did not reach this conclusion.
And the DOJ couldn't have, as the classified docs from his time as VP couldn't have been acquired any earlier than 2009. The "1800 boxes' of documents Trump keeps referring to are documents from Biden's time in the Senate. They aren't classified, they are not sought by the National Archives and he has the absolute right to possess them and store them as he chooses pursuant to the law.