It’s very interesting that the age groups dying of COVID now are not the oldest.
It’s the 55-75 age group. The 75+ groups are highly vaccinated and thus blunting their risk a ton!
Couple this with the CDC data showing a vast majority deaths are unvaccinated and it’s clear.
Unvaccinated people are driving this pandemic. If you vaccinated one high risk group, the next group of unvaccinated will take their place.
Pandemic of the unvaccinated.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
Weird, I met my own doctor at his office and he told me that at my age I did not need to get vaccinated for this virus. I told him I had to in order to keep my job and he just shrugged his shoulders and we moved on to talking about other things. He did not seemed concerned at all about covid. Weird what real doctors do.
Sure. Whatever you say. Interestingly, by June 96% of doctors were full vaccinated and only 45% of those not vaccinated didn't plan on doing so, but you're going to listen to one of the <2% of real doctors.
Both of my real doctors shake their head in frustration at anti-vaxxers.
rocky mtns wrote:
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
Weird, I met my own doctor at his office and he told me that at my age I did not need to get vaccinated for this virus. I told him I had to in order to keep my job and he just shrugged his shoulders and we moved on to talking about other things. He did not seemed concerned at all about covid. Weird what real doctors do.
Sure. Whatever you say. Interestingly, by June 96% of doctors were full vaccinated and only 45% of those not vaccinated didn't plan on doing so, but you're going to listen to one of the <2% of real doctors.
Both of my real doctors shake their head in frustration at anti-vaxxers.
96%, huh? Says who? Your TV?
rocky mtns wrote:
Both of my real doctors shake their head in frustration at anti-vaxxers.
The four real MDs in my extended family (one of them in Alaska) are equally frustrated. And appalled.
So I'm assuming you have not spoken with your doctor about the vaccine? Afraid of the truth for some stupid reason?
5 out of 11 COVID-19 patients on ventilators at this hospital are vaccinated, yet Dr. James Jarvis continues to push the establishment narrative. Shocking and unfortunate, but expected.
"According to the latest numbers from Northern Light Health, five out of their 11 COVID-19 patients on a ventilator are vaccinated."
These lies and deceptions are occurring all over the world. Here is but one example, from Canada:
"Nine months after being diagnosed with a Stage 4 brain tumour and two days after his family says he tested positive for COVID-19, Nathanael Spitzer of Ponoka, Alta., died in hospital."
"When Dr. Deena Hinshaw told Albertans earlier this week that the 14-year-old had died of COVID-19, the province's chief medical officer of health triggered a wave of controversy over how coronavirus deaths are reported."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/covid-comorbidities-alberta-spitzer-1.6212510
This was the original claim: "99.97% chance of surviving covid," period. There was NOTHING in there about "if you're in a specific age-tranche of the population"; it was a blanket statement, and "sthr" showed it to be FALSE.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
This is so dumb. It is a 99.97 % chance if you are an average aged human. . . .
There have been about 44,000 deaths among people under the age of 50; this is about 0.02% of the 200,000,000 people in the US in this age bracket; hence 99.98%. Now, if we assume only 1/3 of the US has gotten covid, then we would be at around a 99.94% survival rate under the age of 50.
The average age of Americans is 38.x years. Using the links you provided:
44.67 million Americans aged 30-39
11,313 Covid-19 deaths in that age group
Even using your estimate of one-third infected, we have 11,313 deaths among 14.89 million infected Americans in their 30s ("average-aged Americans"). If my arithmetic is correct that works out to 99.92% survival. So even in the "average" age group you specified, the 99.97% figure was INCORRECT. (The difference between those is greater than the population of Aspen, Colorado.) And sthr showed that, for the entire population, it was SERIOUSLY incorrect.
Which, again, was the main point: The original post made a BLANKET claim about the survivability of Covid-19, and it was WAY off.
rocky mtns wrote:
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19So I'm assuming you have not spoken with your doctor about the vaccine? Afraid of the truth for some stupid reason?
The AMA, huh? Like I asked, your TV? The AMA has a long history of astronomical corruption.
Harambe wrote:
Bullet_Proof wrote:
It is hysterical to force people. Yout side took it one step top far. Case in point: if people like you were not hysterical, they wouldn't force others to get the vaccine and encourage (and force) employers to develop policies which threaten termination.
They would look at the survival rates, which I astutely posted above, and chill.
To repeat, 99.97% chance at surviving. That is what you are hysterical about.
And, for ADDITIONAL protection and peace of mind, they would get the vaccine, and chill.
And leave other people alone.
You have to admit that you and people like you are hysterical. Even if you don't, that is essentially the path you've chosen. Funny how people claim covid is an emergency on social media yet when you see their pictures on facebook, they are partying, travelling, acting as if life is ok. I thought you guys said we are in a state of emergency!
Gotta love the mixed signals!
When it comes to excessive vax mandates, you're suffering from a problem of authenticity.
How about all the politicians caught not socially distancing? Not wearing masks? They make pretty heavy statements about "covid emergency measures" yet they themselves don't seem to be as frightened as the gravity of their executive orders.
How about those illegal immigrants? This is not what-aboutism. This is an honest question. How come vaccine mandates do not apply 100% to every adult human within our territory?
Your side looks at people in the grocery store who happen to let out a cough as if they are not your fellow Americans but rather these giant germs. Who need to be "removed." That mentality is quite evil and lacks empathy that all humans get sick. It is a fact of life. The flu similar in that it is communicable, it can sometimes kill people, and there is a vaccine for it. People can choose to get the flu shot. Or not. And life goes on.
I am the chill one, bro. But hey, keep trying to convince us normal, breathing, hope-filled optimistic, and confident people that the world is ending. You'll only prove my point further: you are hysterical when it comes to vaccine mandates.
Ok we get it, you just do not care that 700k more Americans have died over the last 18 months than prior trends would suggest.
You do not care those excess deaths are after at most 50% attack rate, suggesting 1.4 million excess deaths in an uncontrolled pandemic (Delta herd immunity threshold is very high).
You also don’t care that getting COVID is bad. For every person who died there were 3-5 more who spent a good chunk of time in the hospital. And maybe 10-20x more laid low with bad symptoms for days. And lots who are still dealing with respiratory damage.
That fact is, a vast majority of current deaths would be prevented with mass vaccination. Had everyone done the smart thing, we wouldn’t be seeing thousands of deaths a day. We gave people the chance to make decisions for themselves but too many morons decided to fall for propaganda and look what happened: thousands dead, hospitals filled, mass tragedy again.
Now, faced with being totally wrong over and over again, you choose to get all hysterical about government “mandates” which still don’t force anyone to get vaccinated (can test in lieu).
If you’re mad about private employers setting rules for their employees, maybe move to a socialist European state with more workers rights?
Lastly if you’re upset that your employer is forcing you to get the vax… maybe there’s a reason they’re the boss and you’re just an employee?
There you go again, fear-mongering...
Bullet_Proof wrote:
Ok we get it, you just do not care that 700k more Americans have died over the last 18 months than prior trends would suggest.
You do not care those excess deaths are after at most 50% attack rate, suggesting 1.4 million excess deaths in an uncontrolled pandemic (Delta herd immunity threshold is very high).
You also don’t care that getting COVID is bad. For every person who died there were 3-5 more who spent a good chunk of time in the hospital. And maybe 10-20x more laid low with bad symptoms for days. And lots who are still dealing with respiratory damage.
That fact is, a vast majority of current deaths would be prevented with mass vaccination. Had everyone done the smart thing, we wouldn’t be seeing thousands of deaths a day. We gave people the chance to make decisions for themselves but too many morons decided to fall for propaganda and look what happened: thousands dead, hospitals filled, mass tragedy again.
Now, faced with being totally wrong over and over again, you choose to get all hysterical about government “mandates” which still don’t force anyone to get vaccinated (can test in lieu).
If you’re mad about private employers setting rules for their employees, maybe move to a socialist European state with more workers rights?
Lastly if you’re upset that your employer is forcing you to get the vax… maybe there’s a reason they’re the boss and you’re just an employee?
There you go again, fear-mongering...[/quote]
Seems your hysteria about the “mandates” has calmed down. We are on the same page, brother.
Get that vax and stay strong 👊🏻
same ol, but different wrote:
rocky mtns wrote:
https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/press-releases/ama-survey-shows-over-96-doctors-fully-vaccinated-against-covid-19So I'm assuming you have not spoken with your doctor about the vaccine? Afraid of the truth for some stupid reason?
The AMA, huh? Like I asked, your TV? The AMA has a long history of astronomical corruption.
The classic denier-fearmonger tactic:
“I have zero data to support my position and my opponents have lots of quality evidence… do I admit I’m wrong? No, I’ll just discount every piece of evidence thrown my way. You don’t need counter arguments if you just ignore your opponents!”
How convincing!! Soon it will be “we can never know Actual Truth beyond the sensory cortex of our brains, therefore all arguments against me are invalid simply because I choose to reject them.”
formerly present wrote:
This was the original claim: "99.97% chance of surviving covid," period. There was NOTHING in there about "if you're in a specific age-tranche of the population"; it was a blanket statement, and "sthr" showed it to be FALSE.
Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:
This is so dumb. It is a 99.97 % chance if you are an average aged human. . . .
There have been about 44,000 deaths among people under the age of 50; this is about 0.02% of the 200,000,000 people in the US in this age bracket; hence 99.98%. Now, if we assume only 1/3 of the US has gotten covid, then we would be at around a 99.94% survival rate under the age of 50.
The average age of Americans is 38.x years. Using the links you provided:
44.67 million Americans aged 30-39
11,313 Covid-19 deaths in that age group
Even using your estimate of one-third infected, we have 11,313 deaths among 14.89 million infected Americans in their 30s ("average-aged Americans"). If my arithmetic is correct that works out to 99.92% survival. So even in the "average" age group you specified, the 99.97% figure was INCORRECT. (The difference between those is greater than the population of Aspen, Colorado.) And sthr showed that, for the entire population, it was SERIOUSLY incorrect.
Which, again, was the main point: The original post made a BLANKET claim about the survivability of Covid-19, and it was WAY off.
A .05% difference is "WAY" off to you?
Please tell me you're a troll.
curious cat... wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Sinovac is one yeah? And the Russian one?
They’re mostly crap.
So, what makes them ineffective? Why is C19 so special that we need mRNA shots, instead of normal vaccines derived from the virus?
???
DanM wrote:
5 out of 11 COVID-19 patients on ventilators at this hospital are vaccinated, yet Dr. James Jarvis continues to push the establishment narrative. Shocking and unfortunate, but expected.
"According to the latest numbers from Northern Light Health, five out of their 11 COVID-19 patients on a ventilator are vaccinated."
https://www.wabi.tv/2021/10/13/nlh-most-vaccinated-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-have-comorbidities/
Your own article refutes your attempt to cast doubt on the vaccines. Also, guess what the vaccination rate in Bangor, Maine is? >90%! Can you guess what effect that would have on the composition of hospitalizations related to covid?
Harambe wrote:
Get that vax and stay strong 👊🏻
Staying strong without the vax 👊🏻
Let it Rupp wrote:
The original post made a BLANKET claim about the survivability of Covid-19, and it was WAY off.
A .05% difference is "WAY" off to you?
Please tell me you're a troll.[/quote]
TBF the "WAY off" actually applied to shtr's post, wherer the difference was between 99.8% and 99.97% and comprised a half-million lives.
DanM wrote:
The propaganda machine in full view.
This is incoherent. There are certainly topics that national media don't handle well because they have little experience with them, but health and dying are universal. People get sick with Covid everywhere. Young people have parents and grandparents who get sick and die. The only way to dismiss Covid and vaccines as propaganda is to descend deep into a world of paranoid fantasy where every media outlet and every government around the world is controlled by a fiendish cabal of lizard people.
Please, come join us in the real world. There's plenty of work to do, but it's generally pretty nice up here.
curious cat... wrote:
curious cat... wrote:
So, what makes them ineffective? Why is C19 so special that we need mRNA shots, instead of normal vaccines derived from the virus?
???
I don’t know! Immunology is hard! Many whole virus vaccines haven’t worked in the past. One issue is that making activated virus vaccines often partially destroys the virus. They used chemicals that alter the structure of the virus in a fairly nonspecific manner they prevent it from replicating (kill it) but still make it “look” roughly the same.
The immune system recognize small pieces of viral proteins. If your killing chemical changes the structure of these viral proteins too much, the immune system will get trained on these altered pieces and then won’t recognize the result virus as well when it encounters it.
There’s also the issue of adjuvants which are basically additional signals that tell the immune system “yes this is real, make a response.” Traditionally these are weird aluminum compounds or stuff extracted from tree bark that we just empirically discovered. mRNA is an excellent adjuvant itself - the immune system is highly trained to recognize genomic material that doesn’t look like it came from itself. Adjuvant selection is tricky and the wrong one can lessen efficacy.
Basically the mRNA vaccines are more idealized versions of vaccines. We took the protein that we know the immune system recognizes the most — that is also VERY important for viral entry into your cells (both findings that required years of thankless work beforehand when nobody cared about “cold viruses”)— and delivered that alone.
Also mRNA is more a replicative method — you make more than one copy of the protein off an mRNA strand. With a dead virus the dose you deliver is all you get so maybe they don’t deliver enough to make a strong response?
These are literally just guesses and I’m sure you could google and get someone actually trained in immunology to tell you stuff that’s much more likely to be correct but you seemed insistent that I try to answer.
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