Disco Gary the Biggest Loser wrote:
The word salad was from a post I made weeks ago, more geared toward the blind, sad hubris and ego exhibited by many right wing conservatives. The retired (so cal?) firefighter I was responding to fits the bill to a T so I decided to trot out the Casear for him to digest. No surprise he stepped out of the line of fire when the call out came...
Anyways:
Bullet_Proof wrote:
I dont know where to begin. I re read your post and am still baffled as to your main points, hence me calling it a word salad.
But in the spirit of continuing this discussion, I will oblige.
You are right that I am fearful that the world's reaction to covid is not unlike a mass psychosis.
From a mental standpoint, I am fearful that reasonable alternatives to covid are being attacked. For example, I do not understand why people with demonstrated natural immunity still have to face an ultimatim. I do not understand why dedicated healthcare professionals - who helped save lives in 2020 when there was zero covid vaccines, and when there were robust safety measures in place to help prevent contamination - now are not allowed to work. Can they not continue to wear face shields, and face masks, and sanitized gloves and other approved medical PPE? Is that not a reasonable alternative? Will the same result be achieved?
What is the obsession with this one solution? A vaccine? (A vaccine that has only had 1.5 to 2 years of testing).
I fear that even if I get the vaccine, the unelected officials like Fauci will continue to force us to get booster shots, and threaten our livlihoods when we dont conform to the latest perceived threat.
What is the truth is that while I mention the word "fear" I am not fearmongering. I am not threatening anyone, simply communicating my observations. Harambe is a fearmongerer, because he resorts to the 700k death number...which when not analyzed critically, does sound scary and would be a motivating reason to go and get the vaccine.
Let's be clear, the 700k is a stone cold fact. Harambe is taunting you [because this is tOxIc letsrun, and he can] because we're so far past this being a two-sided debate. That's why I'm here; this entire conversation is so absurd to me that I can't help but sling some mud at the selfish, small-minded cretins that have circled the drain down to here to argue about how they're superior, they're smarter and they're better than the critical mass of modern society. The data and reasoning for covid protocols and vaccines is irrefutable. period. If you're still arguing about it 12-18mo later, whether you're trolling or not, you deserve to be ridiculed [again: here on letsrun - one of the few public restrooms on the internet] to some extent.
Bullet_Proof wrote:
Lastly, I am confused.
How about this solution?
Everyone can choose to get the vaccine. You. Your relatives. Your neighbors. You and everyone you know can get the vaccine if you choose.
And I can choose not to.
No punishments for me because I am not killing anyone. This is not like drunk driving where it is 100% clear who killed the other driver. If it was so clear who gives the flu to who, and if we as a society held each other to the same draconian standards as we do with covid, millions of people would be in jail right now for "killing" 85 year old grandma.
Heck, Id even bet that YOU have spread the flu to someone in the past 30 years, either on a plane, a bus, at work and they went on and died.
You see how psychotic that line of thinking is?
Thats why I am confused.
Bullet_Proof wrote:
I actually had an epiphany while on a run this morning. (Btw, do you even run, bro? I only ever hear you obsess about vaccination).
You are right that in most cases, to protect against most diseases, getting a vaccine is logical. You make strong arguments for getting vaccinated.
I simply disagree on the mandates aspect of it, and the severe livelihood punishments that are being pushed.
Here's another word salad for you to toss some 1000 Island on. Enjoy; I went over my alloted time today:
I'm not a mandate flag bearer by any means and I haven't seen anyone on this board, besides one non-harambe poster, who is. But I have no problem with a mandate within the private sector, or even within the scope of the US Gov, acting as an employer. If you're mentally weak enough to slip down the slope of this being a ploy to take away freedoms, control your actions in society, inject you with nefarious substances or to lose some major component of what makes you YOU, then you need to resolve many other issue in your life, self image and state of being.
The vaccine has been proven to be safe and proven to be BY FAR the best means of protecting society. You seem to consent to that concept, yet you're still clawing for ways to object to a mandate - a mandate you seem to accept as creating the best end result. You advocating the "what if" of letting the temporary state of natural immunity protect anyone implies that you are ok with the thousands of daily deaths that are associated with continuing to have a society with a hundred million plus unvaccinated people. In september alone, there were 49,800 unvaccinated covid deaths and 2,480 deaths vaccinated covid deaths. The process of "letting people gamble with getting immunity" allows for a 25x increase in deaths. That's someone's dad, mom, sister, brother, child, spouse, friend, etc etc. But because YOU don't feel the need, the threat, the danger personally, it's worth it for society to let them die. YOU don't know them, so it's not your problem. YOU just don't want to be told what to do because YOU don't like that and YOU distrust the unfathomable possibility that the vaccine is safe, was made in good faith, and isn't tied to a hidden agenda.
So the big question we can continue to circle back to: are you vaccinated against anything? Do you agree with the concept of any vaccine? Any vaccine requirement in a global sense? At what point in time would the covid vaccines be deemed safe? What's the threshold? Three years of someone else taking it? Ten years of SOMEONE ELSE taking it?
The reality that the antivaxx crowd (and many of the anti mandate crowd) don't understand is that guys like harambe, 2600, THOUGHTSLEADER, myself and most of the developed world are really far past the angst and hand wringing about covid. Many on this thread and on the other side of the debate see us as hung up on the issue, scared and worried about the outcome and so frantic about the state of things that we'll submit to anything lured in front of us. The truth can't be farther from that trope of a Alex Jones lure... We are stunned and saddened daily, as millions of malleable adult minds succumb to lies, misinformation and half truths, when the entirety of degreed medical professionals and the critical mass of medical/biological science support the solution at hand. The simple concept of an antivaxxer looking their doctor or a relative of theirs with years of medical training, and implying that they are misinformed, is astounding. Truly a new low for our society.
But the rest of us: we've moved on with our lives, we accepted a minutely small risk by taking a vaccine and are sacrificing a shred of personal "liberty" to empower the larger scope of society and our daily lives to go back to normal. Every decision in life has consequences; we've made a decision that has empirically low consequences compared to innaction. Innaction, selfishness and true idiocy are creating thousands of unnecessary daily deaths and are having massive negative effects on the rest of society, including medically. We're fed up with the foot draggers, cretins, gullible minds and psuedo-freedom smartphone-carrying, internet-using, modern-convenience-addicted adults who can't get over themselves to let life move on.