"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

sthr wrote:

BidenFixedCovid wrote:

"Biden Fixed Covid" - Harambe March 2020.

Harambe posted nothing of the kind then.

Evidence of election fraud???

Soros funded 'Harambe' discusses Biden presidency in MARCH 2020???

^new level of madposting

Harambe wrote:

^new level of madposting

You're only attacking the messenger because you can't refute the message.

Typical denier fearmonger vaxxer behavior.

sthr wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

POSTS THAT STATE OR SUGGEST THAT NON-WHITE AMERICANS ARE "MOST" OR "THE BULK" OF THOSE NOT VACCINATED ARE FALSE.

Worth repeating IMO.

And further:

michelleobamas12"donginbaracksbutt wrote:

Harambe wrote:

^new level of madposting

You're only attacking the messenger because you can't refute the message.

Typical denier fearmonger vaxxer behavior.

I'm just sitting here wondering if it was gerbil jamin or some other discomfited, bitter and ultimately fearful middle aged white guy who broke down and went down to the low road to try to prove his worth and the validity of his evaporating point of view.

But hey, just another day confirming: the pandemic of the unvaccinated

Disco Gary the Biggest Loser wrote:

michelleobamas12"donginbaracksbutt wrote:

You're only attacking the messenger because you can't refute the message.

Typical denier fearmonger vaxxer behavior.

I'm just sitting here wondering if it was gerbil jamin or some other discomfited, bitter and ultimately fearful middle aged white guy who broke down and went down to the low road to try to prove his worth and the validity of his evaporating point of view.

But hey, just another day confirming: the pandemic of the unvaccinated

What a loser that guy is, not for his name, but the fact he isn't vaccinated.

michelleobamas12"donginbaracksbutt wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Evidence of election fraud???

Soros funded 'Harambe' discusses Biden presidency in MARCH 2020???

Did you suck off Nostradamus to make that prediction in 2020?

Obfuscators will obfuscate. A simple typo, and not remotely mad. I just come on here to remind everyone that Harambe is often wrong and a hypocrite. Mostly him I remind, the rest of us know.

Biden Fixed Covid - Harambe March 2021.

Harambe wrote:

Lead Foil Hat XVI wrote:

Protection after infection likely lasts much longer than the vax protection. It is also a more diverse and robust protection. Keep making up facts for yourself dude. Wrong again, as usual.

You know whats better than protection after infection. Infection + vaccination, which was my point!

All these studies you guys trumpet about infection-driven immunity show that infection+vaccination is even better.

We are in a pandemic. Everyone should have the most immunity feasible. This includes prior infected people.

I didn't use to think this, but you antivaxxers convinced me! The world doesn't need to be fair, it just needs to be maximally immune.

Natural immunity is enough protection. What you are obsessing about is - an alleged (because you don't know with 100% absolute certainty) - improvement in protection by about 0.03%. Your claim is that instead of people having a 99.97% of surviving a covid infection, you are obsessing with them having 99.98% survival rate. That's not even a 1/10th better odds at surviving.

Sure, you can say that "the vaccine isnt 100% perfect, nothing is! But it reduces our risk!"

Well you make choices about risk every time you get behind the wheel and drive around and have to share the road with other unpredicable drivers. That risk is acceptable to you. And I dont see you obsessing about mandating other drivers to stay home, simply to improve the greater good or do the right thing or protect the vulnerable.

This is the most moldy, soggy, disgusting word salad I have ever encountered.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

This is the most moldy, soggy, disgusting word salad I have ever encountered.

So you're real tuff but you're dodging the assertions? What's your rebuttal?

Give me something to chew on, pops.

Disco Gary the Biggest Loser wrote:

Bullet_Proof wrote:

This is the most moldy, soggy, disgusting word salad I have ever encountered.

So you're real tuff but you're dodging the assertions? What's your rebuttal?

Give me something to chew on, pops.

I dont know where to begin. I re read your post and am still baffled as to your main points, hence me calling it a word salad.

But in the spirit of continuing this discussion, I will oblige.

You are right that I am fearful that the world's reaction to covid is not unlike a mass psychosis.

From a mental standpoint, I am fearful that reasonable alternatives to covid are being attacked. For example, I do not understand why people with demonstrated natural immunity still have to face an ultimatim. I do not understand why dedicated healthcare professionals - who helped save lives in 2020 when there was zero covid vaccines, and when there were robust safety measures in place to help prevent contamination - now are not allowed to work. Can they not continue to wear face shields, and face masks, and sanitized gloves and other approved medical PPE? Is that not a reasonable alternative? Will the same result be achieved?

What is the obsession with this one solution? A vaccine? (A vaccine that has only had 1.5 to 2 years of testing).

I fear that even if I get the vaccine, the unelected officials like Fauci will continue to force us to get booster shots, and threaten our livlihoods when we dont conform to the latest perceived threat.

What is the truth is that while I mention the word "fear" I am not fearmongering. I am not threatening anyone, simply communicating my observations. Harambe is a fearmongerer, because he resorts to the 700k death number...which when not analyzed critically, does sound scary and would be a motivating reason to go and get the vaccine.

Disco Gary the Biggest Loser wrote:

Bullet_Proof wrote:

This is the most moldy, soggy, disgusting word salad I have ever encountered.

So you're real tuff but you're dodging the assertions? What's your rebuttal?

Give me something to chew on, pops.

Lastly, I am confused.

How about this solution?

Everyone can choose to get the vaccine. You. Your relatives. Your neighbors. You and everyone you know can get the vaccine if you choose.

And I can choose not to.

No punishments for me because I am not killing anyone. This is not like drunk driving where it is 100% clear who killed the other driver. If it was so clear who gives the flu to who, and if we as a society held each other to the same draconian standards as we do with covid, millions of people would be in jail right now for "killing" 85 year old grandma.

Heck, Id even bet that YOU have spread the flu to someone in the past 30 years, either on a plane, a bus, at work and they went on and died.

You see how psychotic that line of thinking is?

Thats why I am confused.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

Natural immunity is enough protection. What you are obsessing about is - an alleged (because you don't know with 100% absolute certainty) - improvement in protection by about 0.03%. Your claim is that instead of people having a 99.97% of surviving a covid infection, you are obsessing with them having 99.98% survival rate. That's not even a 1/10th better odds at surviving.

Sure, you can say that "the vaccine isnt 100% perfect, nothing is! But it reduces our risk!"

Well you make choices about risk every time you get behind the wheel and drive around and have to share the road with other unpredicable drivers. That risk is acceptable to you. And I dont see you obsessing about mandating other drivers to stay home, simply to improve the greater good or do the right thing or protect the vulnerable.

Ignoring your garbled math, incorrect math, lets run a thought experiment.

If we decrease the death rate from 0.03% to 0.02% that would save 33% of deaths. That's great!!

Again, sorry to inform you, but the world -is not fair-. If you are already infected you are lucky to be able to increase your immunity even more than an uninfected person.

The vaccine is incredibly safe. The risk is minimal compared to even breakthrough COVID.

It's a shame for you all that the data on infection+vaccine came back SO STRONG. You accidently amplified that when crowing about infection driven immunity. You cannot have one with out the other. Everyone gets the shot, that's what the 'natural immunity' science says!

Cheers for doing your part.

It's 100% clear that the unvaccinated are slaughtering innocent Americans by filling up ICUs and stretching medical care! Every unvaccinated contributes to this effect.

The vaccine is a very, very small cost (a few hours of time + a few hours of symptoms) for a large personal and community benefit.

That's why mandates make sense. We aren't mandating kidney donation. We are mandating something very cheap, very safe, and very effective.

I actually had an epiphany while on a run this morning. (Btw, do you even run, bro? I only ever hear you obsess about vaccination).

You are right that in most cases, to protect against most diseases, getting a vaccine is logical. You make strong arguments for getting vaccinated.

I simply disagree on the mandates aspect of it, and the severe livelihood punishments that are being pushed.

It's 100% clear?! Really.

Then can you be specific? Did John Doe kill Jane Smith? As per my post above, millions of people would be in jail right now if we took your most recent post seriously.

If it's so clear, why can't you be more specific?

And look at it this way. Did 0% of vaccinated people transmit it to others?

sthr wrote:

BidenFixedCovid wrote:

"Biden Fixed Covid" - Harambe March 2020.

Harambe posted nothing of the kind then.

Sure he did....over and over and over again.

Bullet_Proof wrote:

I simply disagree on the mandates aspect of it, and the severe livelihood punishments that are being pushed.

This is fair, but I'm imagining the "severe livelihood punishments" thing is referring to employment. Employment is also connected to health insurance amongst other things it should not be. This is how it is, and unfortunately your employer has a large stake in you not costing them thousands of dollars in lawsuits or medical bills. The fact of the matter is most employers are in favor of mandates or at the very least testing of the unvaxxed. They will be on the hook for thousands of dollars if their employees get COVID or if they spread it. If it's an unsafe workplace, that's more money. These are private companies acting in their best interest. Yeah Biden put out a measure, but if we're being honest that is mostly just the cover the employers want to do what they want to do and would likely do anyhow. Ultimately because the vaccine is so safe and effective, employers (public and private) want to make you get it or be quite inconvenienced. Because of how health care and your job are so intertwined that's just something we have to deal with.