If she was going to make a drug fueled big improvement she would have needed to be really hitting the PED's hard all year. Surely it would be difficult to get around the testers, or at least she would have one or two missed tests under her belt.
First, it is not difficult to beat the testers, and second, we do not know how many tests she missed.
Most importantly, for those who think Hull is clean: what do you figure she'd run dirty? 3:45??
If she was going to make a drug fueled big improvement she would have needed to be really hitting the PED's hard all year. Surely it would be difficult to get around the testers, or at least she would have one or two missed tests under her belt.
First, it is not difficult to beat the testers, and second, we do not know how many tests she missed.
Most importantly, for those who think Hull is clean: what do you figure she'd run dirty? 3:45??
So those of you that insist she is dirty, do you believe that her father injects her drugs himself to get the dosing right? In what reality do you reside where people can even conceive of this..never mind, just answer the first question.
First, it is not difficult to beat the testers, and second, we do not know how many tests she missed.
Most importantly, for those who think Hull is clean: what do you figure she'd run dirty? 3:45??
So those of you that insist she is dirty, do you believe that her father injects her drugs himself to get the dosing right? In what reality do you reside where people can even conceive of this..never mind, just answer the first question.
Do you think that no family member has ever participated in a doping program, whether as a spouse, parent, sibling or child? Do you think that they have never known and lied, or chose to live in denial and turn a blind eye?
I would have no idea if her father is involved, but invoking him is no defense at all.
If Ma had been given modern footwear and wavelight pacing, I reckon his women would have bested Roger Bannister.
I’m becoming more and more convinced that those two factors are rendering meaningless any comparisons with the past.
Yet you exclude doping as a factor, when we know it is present throughout the sport and has long been so and continues to develop. Why? Too disillusioning?
Ma’s women were on every chemical advantage available at the time.
There is no comparison to the scrutiny under which the modern athlete, in the RTP, lives with. If there were some advancement in doping that were responsible for this new era in middle distance performances, I would have heard of it at this point. That’s not to say there won’t be people in Paris who are frauds. I’ve seen a few confirmed, sadly.
I am very sorry you haven’t been afforded an opportunity to get to know any of these athletes we’re discussing here. The very solid majority of them want to stay within the rules and it’s a minority that choose to dance close to the line and a smaller number still that willfully choose to cross it. As I have stated earlier, this excludes those that come from programs that never shed their cheating ways. Aside from doping controls and whereabouts requirements, nothing has cleaned up our sport as much as the wholesale banishment of Russia and Belarus.
If she was going to make a drug fueled big improvement she would have needed to be really hitting the PED's hard all year. Surely it would be difficult to get around the testers, or at least she would have one or two missed tests under her belt.
First, it is not difficult to beat the testers, and second, we do not know how many tests she missed.
Most importantly, for those who think Hull is clean: what do you figure she'd run dirty? 3:45??
Tell us with your method to evade all your drugs tests.
I watched that meet yesterday and have a few observations:
in the 800m and 1500w the rabbits did a really good job, almost perfect. Also there are the silly lights. All that made it possible to maintain the right pace in a very steady way. No one had to run outside (Except very end of 800m) which equals extra distance and wastes energy, no one had to do anything tactical. They were time trials in which nearly the whole field got a PB.
You’ve clearly never been even remotely close to someone on whereabouts.
The only way you get caught doping is if you’re an idiot. It’s incredibly easy to avoid testing positive if you have even the slightest idea what you’re doing. Time your micro dose right in the evening and there’s no way you’re glowing by the time ASADA is knocking on your door at 6am the next morning.
If you think it’s hard to stay undetected go watch Icarus again.
Exactly I live in Australia and let me tell you you can get anything lmaoo, the testing is not as rigorous as you think, Majority of wada budget is actually spent to test African, I remember one year that Ethiopia had 40% of the test or budget They are all on something the only difference is the Non African athletes now have finally gotten of they moral high horses and gone to the dark side to even the playing field. Anyone who thinks hull or even St P are not taking novelties meds are delusional. Bicarb pain killers heart medication, blood pressure meds stimulants. There are so many natty things that you can compound together over a training block to improve your performance.
"Non African athletes now have finally gotten of they moral high horses and gone to the dark side to even the playing field."
Allow me to fix the bolded and quoted part of your comment; "European and European descended athletes have gotten tired, embarrassed and humiliated of seeing their athletes getting the floor mopped with them especially in the distance races, which they somehow think belongs to only them, on a global scale and have resorted, 'gone to the dark side', to sophisticated doping with assistance from their scientific communities and 'anti-doping' agencies which cover up for all failed tests, if they even conduct said tests."
You know damn well an overwhelming majority of of your so called athletes are simply not good enough to compete head to head with the East Africans so your athletes, again with much assistance from their respective scientific communities and 'anti-doping' bodies, resort to 'chemical aid' and have the audacity to say you're doing so because the African Athletes were doing it first, which is funny because the African domination begun way back in the 1960s with Kip Keino flooring Jim Ryan at the Olympic games in Mexico city. There's absolutely no way to convince me that this sudden increase, a 5-7 second time drop in roughly one year, performance was not 'aided'.
She's 27. That's at least a decade+ of hard training but in one year drops 7 seconds.
She's had super-spikes for a while now, so it can't be there. She's done altitude training stints prior to 2024 and 2023, so it can't be that. She doesn't look as 'skinny as ever' as a different letsrunner suggests.
Reminds me of the progression of Mo Katir. Sure, we can say double thresholds if you makes you all feel better but Jessica Hull is not a natural 3:50.XX runner in this dimension.
Ya'll are so daft.
Super shoes ain't done, yet. The super shoes of 2024 ain't the same ones as 2020.
They didn't stop tweaking the tech 4 years ago, each model's faster and faster.
Perhaps this.
Perhaps those who have run in every iditeration of the cheater spike can weigh in here.
I also think it should be pointed out that 4 seconds from 3:59 to 3:55 and 7 seconds from 3:57 to 3:50 are not even close to equivalent. In 2023, Hull was marginally better than Hiltz (slightly ahead in both their head-to-head meetings, slightly faster PB). In 2024, Hiltz has completely leveled up, running a big PB at USAs and winning a world indoor medal. Despite that, Hull has massively opened the gap, and has jumped from competing with runners like Hiltz and Hall to competing with the GOAT of the event. If people think Hiltz's 2024 has been suspicious...then WTAF is this?
Im not sure why posters are (un)intentionally missing the fact that Hull had a 3.55.97 lifetime best, not 3:57.
It doesn't matter because a 5-7 second drop in time in roughly one year is still highly suspicious, quit trying to downplay it.
Her interview with Australian press is on Instagram. She seems very genuine. I would be very surprised if she's doping.
Lance Armstrong also gave interviews and 'seemed very genuine', whatever that means, when he won 7 consecutive Tour de France titles with some 'aid'. I heard he was even the face for the Live Strong campaign to fight cancer, such a standout gentleman.
I watched that meet yesterday and have a few observations:
in the 800m and 1500w the rabbits did a really good job, almost perfect. Also there are the silly lights. All that made it possible to maintain the right pace in a very steady way. No one had to run outside (Except very end of 800m) which equals extra distance and wastes energy, no one had to do anything tactical. They were time trials in which nearly the whole field got a PB.
The lights aren’t silly, your just an idiot.
"The lights aren’t silly, your just an idiot." 🙄
If you're going to call someone an idiot then at least know the difference between 'your' and 'you're' and the context in which they're used, just to show you're not one.
By the way, I agree the "lights aren’t silly", they are what got Kipyegon to a world record and Hull a big PB, along with hugging the inside lane and keying off and hanging on to Kipyegon for as long as possible.
I've met her a few times, too, and her niceness to the age-group runners I worked with caused me to follow her career from quite a while ago.
What I've seen shows no particular reason for suspicion. She has had a huge improvement in race tactics. In prior years, she had a tendency to hang out well to the outside, to avoid problems in the pack. This time, she got out of the box immediately in the first 100m, then was on the rail, with the perfect pacer, and no fear of being stepped on from behind the rest of the way.
The draft alone is worth about 1 percent. In 230 seconds, that's 2.3 sec, right there. Yeah, she got draft in parts of other races, but never this good this far.
Getting out of lane 2 is worth nearly .5 sec per turn. (That's at a 4:00 pace, with a 1 meter-wide lane). In 7 turns, that's 3.5 sec. Not that she previously spent that far out all the time, but I've seen her hanging way out on the edge sometimes, practically in lane 3. That adds up. This time there was zero of it.
I have coached athletes who got big breakthrough races when all the stars aligned: temperature, wind, track surface, and the perfect set up for the race, with the perfect field. When that happens, confidence comes with it, and it all cascades into something special. Going back to Australia and family seems to have been good for her, too.
Does this mean I'm sure she's clean. Of course not. My interactions with her were brief and casual, and I won't vouch for anyone I don't personally know. But I'm not seeing any reason for going after her this way.
She's the rightful world record holders. Its obvious Kenyans are ALL doping. They should be banned for the next 50 years.
If you're referring to Hull being the "rightful world record holder" on the premise that if all Kenyans were banned she would be, then you've just proved yourself to be another idiot as there's two Ethiopian's and one Chinese between her and Kipyegon.
