Conservative Right-Winger wrote:
Let's get down to business. Your link on the community college mandates says regular testing is an opt out - so that's not really a "mandate" & college kids can just blow it off and get tested instead. Lol.
Literally the point is to get people to take steps to mitigate the spread of COVID, be it thru vaccination (for smart people) or frequent testing (for dumb people).
Congrats, you are doing your part. Feel free to remain smug about it?
kibitzer wrote:
joedirtball wrote:
The mandates that refuse to recognize the science of natural immunity are truly dangerous.
The disingenuousness here is tiresome.
Yes, there is some evidence that naturally-acquired immunity is stronger than vaccinated immunity.
BUT--if we're actually "following the science"-- there is also good evidence that natural- plus vaccine-immunity is stronger still,
AND that naturally-acquired immunity DOES NOT LAST and unvaccinated people are much more likely to be infected a second time than are the vaccinated.
https://www.brgeneral.org/news-blog/2021/august/unvaccinated-are-twice-as-likely-to-be-reinfecte/Now, probably all of us know people who refuse to be vaccinated, and we know that those same folks are more likely not to wear masks unless absolutely forced to and very unlikely to be tested--until/unless they show up in an emergency room. (Don't we all know people who subscribe to this "package deal" of uninvolvement with Covid-19 mediation?) So the FACT--follow the science!--is that those people who've previously been infected, but haven't been vaccinated, are more likely to be a danger to others if infected again, because they're more likely (with a mild or asymptomatic case) not to know about the re-infection--and more likely not to be wearing masks, and hence to spread all kinds of germs, including SARS-CoV-2.
Here is what we are talking about, just so you understand:
Natural Immunity Efficacy (almost two years in) = 96%
Natural Immunity Efficacy + Vaccine = 98% (half as likely as those with natural immunity to have reinfection)
Original Pfizer efficacy = 95%
Up to date Pfizer vaccine efficacy versus delta = 16-39% (depending upon which study you use)
So, yes, getting the shot does confer some small additional amount of immunity for the previously infected, but natural immunity is far superior to vaccinated immunity. So, why no exemption for the previously infected if we are exempting the previously vaccinated?
The vaccine may produce more antibodies than natural infection (not necessarily a good thing, and part of the reason why it causes adverse reactions), but not all antibodies are the same. The vaccine produces antibodies for a couple protein markers. Infection with the wild virus creates antibodies for orders of magnitude more. That is the reason why people in Asia still have immunity from SARS-CoV-1 almost 20 years after the fact and why older generations had lower fatality rates than younger people against swine flu when H1N1 hit when Obama was in office (because of immunity they had from exposure they had 60 years prior). Natural immunity is robust and long lasting. That is why boosters for those that are not immuno compromised will actually delay the path to herd immunity rather than hasten it.
Because we know infections will happen, whether your immunity is from the virus or vaccine or none at all. The goal is to limit infections and transmission. If the vaccine did not confer additional immunity beyond infection driven immunity you’d obviously have a point. But it does, and vaccinated infected people will limit cases and transmission!
The rules aren’t fair. Everyone needs to get the best immunity they can. It’s not about fairness — nothing in life really is. People should realize this.
Also it’s VERY telling that you continually cherry pick the most pessimistic vaccine effectiveness numbers. If the vaccine failure is so clear, you shouldn’t need to continually choose the worst numbers….
See a good roundup of recent data there:
https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1447256044053229573?s=21
The vaccines still work well, boosters works great, and there’s reasons to be optimistic that boosters will confer more robust immunity than 2 shots did.
Harambe wrote:
Also it’s VERY telling that you continually cherry pick the most pessimistic vaccine effectiveness numbers. If the vaccine failure is so clear, you shouldn’t need to continually choose the worst numbers….
See a good roundup of recent data there:
https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1447256044053229573?s=21The vaccines still work well, boosters works great, and there’s reasons to be optimistic that boosters will confer more robust immunity than 2 shots did.
(Eric Topol?) Might as well link some graphs made by George Soros.
Gerbil Jamin wrote:
(Eric Topol?) Might as well link some graphs made by George Soros.
Another compelling rebuttal from the denier-fearmongers. Who can argue against such rhetoric, evidence, and gravitas.
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Harambe wrote:
Conservative Right-Winger wrote:
Let's get down to business. Your link on the community college mandates says regular testing is an opt out - so that's not really a "mandate" & college kids can just blow it off and get tested instead. Lol.
Literally the point is to get people to take steps to mitigate the spread of COVID, be it thru vaccination (for smart people) or frequent testing (for dumb people).
Congrats, you are doing your part. Feel free to remain smug about it?
No....Liberal, you don't understand. The point is for government to honor "Informed Consent" and stay out of people's lives when it comes to medical decisions. Republican leadership strongly recommends vacation but believes it should be voluntary and not forced on people! And you look at your post - once again full of insults & arrogance. Who the F is being smug here?!? This is why there is no compromising with you Liberals - us Conservative Right-Wingers are pretty much fed up with your BS. You're nothing more than a member of Liberal pro-vaxx mafia - coming on here harassing & antagonizing posters to take the vaccine!
And your boy Biden must be fuming & outraged at this development in Texas (I hope the old stiff doesn't have a stroke or something).
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-order-prohibiting-vaccine-mandates-by-any-entity-adds-issue-to-special-session-agendaDon't mess with Texas Liberals!
Harambe wrote:
It’s not about fairness — nothing in life really is. People should realize this.
Remember your words when you comment on police work, monkey boy.
439 wrote:
Harambe wrote:
It’s not about fairness — nothing in life really is. People should realize this.
Remember your words when you comment on police work, monkey boy.
And this about sums up the anti-vaxxer on this board.
The Clown Show wrote:
439 wrote:
Remember your words when you comment on police work, monkey boy.
And this about sums up the anti-vaxxer on this board.
Not anti-vaxxer.
You lose again, Clown.
Conservative Right-Winger wrote:
And your boy Biden must be fuming & outraged at this development in Texas (I hope the old stiff doesn't have a stroke or something).
https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-issues-executive-order-prohibiting-vaccine-mandates-by-any-entity-adds-issue-to-special-session-agendaDon't mess with Texas Liberals!
Why shouldn't we mess with Texas Liberals? Are they tougher than regular liberals?
BTW, I know the irony of your boy Abbot trying to prohibit PRIVATE businesses from mandating vaccines is lost on you and folks like you, but the hypocrisy upon which you operate is incredibly amusing. So these private businesses now don't have the freedom to decide what they want to do with their business? And this is what you posted:
Conservative Right-Winger wrote:
No....Liberal, you don't understand. The point is for government to honor "Informed Consent" and stay out of people's lives when it comes to medical decisions.
A private business owner who rightfully believes that mandating vaccines protects them, their employees and customers from illness is not allowed to do so? What gives any republican law maker the right to decide what that private business can and can't do? So much for staying out of people's lives.
You folks are lost and quite frankly the majority of society don't want you found. Get the vaccine, help out your community. Otherwise, stay home and stop clogging up hospitals.
Enjoy the mandates.............or all the tests you'll have to take to avoid them.
439 wrote:
Not anti-vaxxer.
You lose again, Clown.
If you are pro-vax and you post the crap you have been posting, I'd say it's not me losing. Or you for that matter. But I'm sure your parents are proud.
I can't believe that after almost 2 years, some of you who have to know you are wrong just continue to dig in. If this vaccine is so necessary, why have more people died of covid in the US in 2021 when a vaccine has been available for the entire year practically, than in 2020 when we were entirely unprotected?
I got the vaccine, mostly just to keep my employment, but obviously it isn't offering the level of protection that was suggested. We've basically forfeited 2 years of our lives and more importantly our childrens' lives to confirm what many of us have been saying since March 2020, there is nothing we can do, a virus is gonna virus, we should spend all our efforts to protect the vulnerable (fat, old, or immunocompromised) and the rest of us should continue our day-to-day lives. No masks, no social distancing, nothing. Business as usual. Had we done that, the number of people with antibody-based immunity would be vastly higher and we'd be out of this for months by now. But instead, you scared p*ssies have convinced moronic parents that their kids need a shot that MIGHT protect them from an illness that has a statistically zero percent chance of killing them. You've convinced kids that they need to wear masks. Just admit that you were wrong in March 2020, and you're still wrong.
browski wrote:
I can't believe that after almost 2 years, some of you who have to know you are wrong just continue to dig in. If this vaccine is so necessary, why have more people died of covid in the US in 2021 when a vaccine has been available for the entire year practically, than in 2020 when we were entirely unprotected?
I got the vaccine, mostly just to keep my employment, but obviously it isn't offering the level of protection that was suggested. We've basically forfeited 2 years of our lives and more importantly our childrens' lives to confirm what many of us have been saying since March 2020, there is nothing we can do, a virus is gonna virus, we should spend all our efforts to protect the vulnerable (fat, old, or immunocompromised) and the rest of us should continue our day-to-day lives. No masks, no social distancing, nothing. Business as usual. Had we done that, the number of people with antibody-based immunity would be vastly higher and we'd be out of this for months by now. But instead, you scared p*ssies have convinced moronic parents that their kids need a shot that MIGHT protect them from an illness that has a statistically zero percent chance of killing them. You've convinced kids that they need to wear masks. Just admit that you were wrong in March 2020, and you're still wrong.
Cool story, browski
"a virus is gonna virus" is such a Trump thing to say. Clearly you can't be saved, which is why the mandates are necessary, Protecting communities from people like you. And, because you operate like a child, these mandates protect you from yourself.
You want your freedoms back, but don't want to do the things that will allow this to happen. Blatant ignorance and irresponsibility.
browski wrote:
I can't believe that after almost 2 years, some of you who have to know you are wrong just continue to dig in. If this vaccine is so necessary, why have more people died of covid in the US in 2021 when a vaccine has been available for the entire year practically, than in 2020 when we were entirely unprotected?
I got the vaccine, mostly just to keep my employment, but obviously it isn't offering the level of protection that was suggested. We've basically forfeited 2 years of our lives and more importantly our childrens' lives to confirm what many of us have been saying since March 2020, there is nothing we can do, a virus is gonna virus, we should spend all our efforts to protect the vulnerable (fat, old, or immunocompromised) and the rest of us should continue our day-to-day lives. No masks, no social distancing, nothing. Business as usual. Had we done that, the number of people with antibody-based immunity would be vastly higher and we'd be out of this for months by now. But instead, you scared p*ssies have convinced moronic parents that their kids need a shot that MIGHT protect them from an illness that has a statistically zero percent chance of killing them. You've convinced kids that they need to wear masks. Just admit that you were wrong in March 2020, and you're still wrong.
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Conservative Right-Winger wrote:
No....Liberal, you don't understand. The point is for government to honor "Informed Consent" and stay out of people's lives when it comes to medical decisions. Republican leadership strongly recommends vacation but believes it should be voluntary and not forced on people! And you look at your post - once again full of insults & arrogance. Who the F is being smug here?!? This is why there is no compromising with you Liberals - us Conservative Right-Wingers are pretty much fed up with your BS. You're nothing more than a member of Liberal pro-vaxx mafia - coming on here harassing & antagonizing posters to take the vaccine!
And your boy Biden must be fuming & outraged at this development in Texas (I hope the old stiff doesn't have a stroke or something).
Don't mess with Texas Liberals!
Vacation... Texas Liberals... "Smug" harambe is just toying with you and you've brought it upon yourselves. This is "free speech" America, is it not?
It's startling how angry and personally unhinged you are about those that you perceive as your enemy and/or different from you - and that you see it normal/healthy/helpful/acceptable to flood the internet with that belief.
The justification seems to be that your vision of success (ie what's important in life) and what you perceive as someone else's failures don't align, and they're failures lean towards unforgivable. You must be truly under massive personal duress right now if you feel such a foundational need to constantly point out your enemies, detractors and the persons who are making your life worse. Are you scared of the future? Has covid made you fearful of a changing world?
You, your pseudo-libertarian friends and most the antivaxx @ssclowns on this board seem dead set on proving how great YOU are, how healthy YOU are, how successful YOU are and how everyone else should just be like YOU. The selfishness and narcissism pervades the narrative and the comfort zone that you and your ilk inhabit. You were sold the commendation and encouragement of this ideology by the Trump and his sycophants. They're continuing to lead you a long and drain many of your pockets by purporting a fight for the soul of America and the supposed patriotism/real man/free citizen line of thinking that is forcing division in a time of need.
Troll_Rater wrote:
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Okay, you're right. I'll add "browski" to the list of Troll: Do Not Respond.
Thanks for the heads-up.
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
joedirtball wrote:
The mandates that refuse to recognize the science of natural immunity are truly dangerous. One of my wife's employees husbands who suffered a stroke after having a forced vax by his employer (the state) after he had already tested positive for COVID prior to that has been mandated to get a booster vaccination. He's scared 5hitle$$ and doesn't know what to do. I'd probably refuse the shot and lawyer up if I were him, but I am financially secure. This couple is not great with their money and he needs the income. It would be tough to be forced to decide between the prospect of another stroke (or worse) and one's livelihood because of a mandate that completely stands in the way of scientific evidence.
All these sheep vaxx cultists follow the pseudoscience column:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FBYIivGXoAAz_U2?format=jpg&name=small
Real Disco Gary owns Loser Disco Gary.
Harambe wrote:
DanM wrote:
Harambe & 2600: Thanks a lot to you and your ilk. I bet you're quite pleased with yourselves.
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/maine-health-system-closes-neonatal-icu-after-staff-resign-over-vaccination-mandate.htmlNobody in their right mind would want their severely ill infant cared for by a HCW who can't even understand the basic arithmetic of vaccination. That a recipe for dead babies.
From the guy who calls people against mandatory vaccinations "fear mongers".
Harambe, you are a flaming hypocrite.
And of course regularly wrong "Biden Fixed Covid" - Harambe March 2020.
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