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2 years ago 04/25/2022 2:39pm EDT

re: Heartless

Heartless wrote:
If Putin thought any of that nonsense - which is hilarious to even consider, since our Russian/Eastern Euro policy experts (and even Biden himself in the late 90s!!!) predicted this would happen if we continued to expand NATO and weapons build up along Russia’s border - why did he wait two decades? LOL
How does one disregard accurate predictions like the aforementioned (with videos to support), in favor of propaganda that cannot be traced back to anything other than speculation?

In retrospect, Putin should have waited longer before deciding to lose a war. Most policy experts recommend waiting as long as possible before losing a war, although this is controversial.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 2:47pm EDT

re: Heartless

Heartless wrote:
agip wrote:
other experts have said that Putin is obsessed with reconstructing the Soviet Union or the Russian Empire. Not because of NATO but because he thinks that is the natural order of the world and he wants to be king of the slavs and end the 30-year humiliation of being a country, not an empire.
You choose to believe your NATO story for some reason - probably because right wingers now define themselves by how little they trust the establishment. And not trusting the establishment has led them to radical beliefs like blaming the USA for nearly every bad thing that happens.
You and the 60s hard-left radicals are sort of converging, scarily enough.
If Putin thought any of that nonsense - which is hilarious to even consider, since our Russian/Eastern Euro policy experts (and even Biden himself in the late 90s!!!) predicted this would happen if we continued to expand NATO and weapons build up along Russia’s border - why did he wait two decades? LOL
How does one disregard accurate predictions like the aforementioned (with videos to support), in favor of propaganda that cannot be traced back to anything other than speculation?

the heck you talking about? Putin himself says this stuff about the USSR, more or less. he uses code terms like 'great nations' and 'sphere of influence' but it's all the same. And it ain't fear of being invaded or encircled by NATO. it's a pure imperialist impulse.

anyway, who can tell what goes on in the mind of an aggressive dictator. Why did Hitler wait until 9/1939 before invading poland? Why did japan wait to the exact date of invading China? I mean this timing stuff is vague and not science. Probably putin felt he needed another domestic boost at this time.

And he waited to see if trump would indeed ruin NATO, and when it came to be that no, NATO would not be ruined by trump because trump lost, he thought he might as well invade now rather than later.

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2 years ago 04/25/2022 2:57pm EDT

re: agip

agip wrote:
Heartless wrote:
If Putin thought any of that nonsense - which is hilarious to even consider, since our Russian/Eastern Euro policy experts (and even Biden himself in the late 90s!!!) predicted this would happen if we continued to expand NATO and weapons build up along Russia’s border - why did he wait two decades? LOL
How does one disregard accurate predictions like the aforementioned (with videos to support), in favor of propaganda that cannot be traced back to anything other than speculation?
the heck you talking about? Putin himself says this stuff about the USSR, more or less. he uses code terms like 'great nations' and 'sphere of influence' but it's all the same. And it ain't fear of being invaded or encircled by NATO. it's a pure imperialist impulse.
anyway, who can tell what goes on in the mind of an aggressive dictator. Why did Hitler wait until 9/1939 before invading poland? Why did japan wait to the exact date of invading China? I mean this timing stuff is vague and not science. Probably putin felt he needed another domestic boost at this time.
And he waited to see if trump would indeed ruin NATO, and when it came to be that no, NATO would not be ruined by trump because trump lost, he thought he might as well invade now rather than later.

Ohhhh- he uses CODE TERMS!! LOL

You know what, you’re right- I think I’m going to start following the speculation that he’s a mad dictator that speaks in code language, rather than just acknowledging that what we were told would happen for 25 years… is exactly what ended up happening.

Trump calling out all other NATO countries for not spending the appropriate amount on their military was a very good thing. Most of them have actually done so. And our defense contractors are quite happy about it.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 2:58pm EDT

re: agip

Why did America invade Iraq Afghanistan? Libya? Syria?

Who can say what goes on in the minds of these Neocon psychopaths?

2 years ago 04/25/2022 3:06pm EDT

re: Heartless

Heartless wrote:
agip wrote:
the heck you talking about? Putin himself says this stuff about the USSR, more or less. he uses code terms like 'great nations' and 'sphere of influence' but it's all the same. And it ain't fear of being invaded or encircled by NATO. it's a pure imperialist impulse.
anyway, who can tell what goes on in the mind of an aggressive dictator. Why did Hitler wait until 9/1939 before invading poland? Why did japan wait to the exact date of invading China? I mean this timing stuff is vague and not science. Probably putin felt he needed another domestic boost at this time.
And he waited to see if trump would indeed ruin NATO, and when it came to be that no, NATO would not be ruined by trump because trump lost, he thought he might as well invade now rather than later.
Ohhhh- he uses CODE TERMS!! LOL
You know what, you’re right- I think I’m going to start following the speculation that he’s a mad dictator that speaks in code language, rather than just acknowledging that what we were told would happen for 25 years… is exactly what ended up happening.
Trump calling out all other NATO countries for not spending the appropriate amount on their military was a very good thing. Most of them have actually done so. And our defense contractors are quite happy about it.

They do it all the time... 'code language', 'dog whistles', etc. If somebody didn't say it, they said it in 'code terms'.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 3:08pm EDT

re: Harambe

Harambe wrote:
Experts have been warning that Russia would get bogged down in a quagmire, throw away 10s of thousands of soldiers + billions of materiel, and permanently destroy their reputation as a military power? I missed this, please link!
Nobody thinks Putin is crazy – it's just clear they are incompetent.
P.S. You still can't explain the base rate fallacy. I am disappointed.

Not quite true. Some of us think Putin has skated over an edge with his obsession with rebuilding the Russian Empire and essentially crowning himself as Czar.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 3:19pm EDT

re: Think about it...

Think about it... wrote:
Heartless wrote:
Ohhhh- he uses CODE TERMS!! LOL
You know what, you’re right- I think I’m going to start following the speculation that he’s a mad dictator that speaks in code language, rather than just acknowledging that what we were told would happen for 25 years… is exactly what ended up happening.
Trump calling out all other NATO countries for not spending the appropriate amount on their military was a very good thing. Most of them have actually done so. And our defense contractors are quite happy about it.
They do it all the time... 'code language', 'dog whistles', etc. If somebody didn't say it, they said it in 'code terms'.

LOL- good point. If they didn’t actually say it, say they “meant” it.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 3:44pm EDT

re: carmine9

carmine9 wrote:
Why did America invade Iraq Afghanistan? Libya? Syria?
Who can say what goes on in the minds of these Neocon psychopaths?

Afghanistan is easy. It was harboring bin Laden, who had just executed a successful attack that killed thousands, had planned previous attacks, and was planning more.

Libya was a NATO incursion prompted by Gaddafi's state-sponsored terrorism and attacks on his own civilians and pushed by France and Britain. French troops were first on the ground and the French were first to police the no-fly zone. Obama declined to take unilateral action specifically out of concern for violation of Libya's sovereignty.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 3:56pm EDT

re: Heartless

Heartless wrote:
Think about it... wrote:
They do it all the time... 'code language', 'dog whistles', etc. If somebody didn't say it, they said it in 'code terms'.
LOL- good point. If they didn’t actually say it, say they “meant” it.

Area troglodyte discovers semantics

2 years ago 04/25/2022 4:27pm EDT

re: Harambe

Harambe wrote:
Heartless wrote:
LOL- good point. If they didn’t actually say it, say they “meant” it.
Area troglodyte discovers semantics

Go back to English class bro.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 4:56pm EDT

re: Heartless

Heartless wrote:
Harambe wrote:
Area troglodyte discovers semantics
Go back to English class bro.

Will you even admit that Russia is performing poorly in the war? Or is that just too painful to say so you'll either lie or change the subject?

2 years ago 04/25/2022 5:34pm EDT

re: carmine9

carmine9 wrote:
Why did America invade Iraq Afghanistan? Libya? Syria?
Who can say what goes on in the minds of these Neocon psychopaths?

B.H.O. thought he was so smart. B.H.O., if I call 2011 correctly, had Italy &/or France bomb Libya and C.I.A. paid tools on the ground in north Africa to torture and Crucify Moammar Gaddafi.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 5:58pm EDT

re: H.W. Bush & Gorbachev

H.W. Bush & Gorbachev wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Why did America invade Iraq Afghanistan? Libya? Syria?
Who can say what goes on in the minds of these Neocon psychopaths?
B.H.O. thought he was so smart. B.H.O., if I call 2011 correctly, had Italy &/or France bomb Libya and C.I.A. paid tools on the ground in north Africa to torture and Crucify Moammar Gaddafi.

"we came, we saw, he died (psychotically laughs)" - Hillary

Now, look at Libya. Great job, Nobel Peace Prize winner.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 6:06pm EDT

re: H.W. Bush & Gorbachev

H.W. Bush & Gorbachev wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Why did America invade Iraq Afghanistan? Libya? Syria?
Who can say what goes on in the minds of these Neocon psychopaths?
B.H.O. thought he was so smart. B.H.O., if I call 2011 correctly, had Italy &/or France bomb Libya and C.I.A. paid tools on the ground in north Africa to torture and Crucify Moammar Gaddafi.

You don't recall it correctly.

You're welcome.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 6:14pm EDT

re: SeattleSilver

SeattleSilver wrote:
H.W. Bush & Gorbachev wrote:
B.H.O. thought he was so smart. B.H.O., if I call 2011 correctly, had Italy &/or France bomb Libya and C.I.A. paid tools on the ground in north Africa to torture and Crucify Moammar Gaddafi.
You don't recall it correctly.
You're welcome.

My uncertainty, when I initially posted was the year. I looked up M. Gaddafi's bio since my original post. Events took place, fall, 2011. I stand by the remainder of my initial post.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 6:20pm EDT

re: SeattleSilver

SeattleSilver wrote:
H.W. Bush & Gorbachev wrote:
B.H.O. thought he was so smart. B.H.O., if I call 2011 correctly, had Italy &/or France bomb Libya and C.I.A. paid tools on the ground in north Africa to torture and Crucify Moammar Gaddafi.
You don't recall it correctly.
You're welcome.

They could have made a tv show about my guys & I and named the show, Rat Patrol 2.0. What were you doing during M. Gaddafi era? I imagine you were swamped in contract law cases in Seattle while I was living the life you see in the movies.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 6:26pm EDT

re: H.W. Bush & Gorbachev

H.W. Bush & Gorbachev wrote:
SeattleSilver wrote:
You don't recall it correctly.
You're welcome.
They could have made a tv show about my guys & I and named the show, Rat Patrol 2.0. What were you doing during M. Gaddafi era? I imagine you were swamped in contract law cases in Seattle while I was living the life you see in the movies.

It looks like the latest Kremlin AI release understands how to use English articles. The context is still a bit rough, though.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 7:02pm EDT

re: H.W. Bush & Gorbachev

H.W. Bush & Gorbachev wrote:
SeattleSilver wrote:
You don't recall it correctly.
You're welcome.
My uncertainty, when I initially posted was the year. I looked up M. Gaddafi's bio since my original post. Events took place, fall, 2011. I stand by the remainder of my initial post.

Where is you evidence that Obama forced the bombing. My sources say Obama was reluctant to bomb, but France was hot to go in. France doesn't take orders easily, and has always felt proprietary regarding North Africa.

2 years ago 04/25/2022 7:08pm EDT

re: SeattleSilver

SeattleSilver wrote:
H.W. Bush & Gorbachev wrote:
My uncertainty, when I initially posted was the year. I looked up M. Gaddafi's bio since my original post. Events took place, fall, 2011. I stand by the remainder of my initial post.
Where is you evidence that Obama forced the bombing. My sources say Obama was reluctant to bomb, but France was hot to go in. France doesn't take orders easily, and has always felt proprietary regarding North Africa.

"Your sources", huh? Lol

Was he reluctant to bomb Syria and Yemen, too?

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