“NYT analysis (not a news story)”
Sounds like an editorial. You know this are just some person’s or group of people’s opinion?
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Anybody that posts something blaming Trump for the pandemic or it’s effect on the economy is de facto dishonest and not worthy of being responded to.
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I like this approach. Call out the GOP when it acts badly. Say plainly that bullies are bad, insults are bad and our leaders need to stay out of the trumpian
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SouthernmostIllini wrote:
Anybody that posts something blaming Trump for the pandemic or it’s effect on the economy is de facto dishonest and not worthy of being responded to.
anybody who posts something blaming Biden for the inflation or its effect on the economy is de facto dishonest and not worthy of being responded to.
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GOP Defamation Blotter
Billions and Billions Division
Good god the GOP is packed with liars and fabulists
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Some of the biggest names at Fox News have been questioned, or are scheduled to be questioned in the coming days, by lawyers representing Dominion Voting Systems in its $1.6 billion defamation suit against the network, as the election technology company presses ahead with a case that First Amendment scholars say is extraordinary in its scope and significance.
Sean Hannity became the latest Fox star to be called for a deposition by Dominion’s legal team, according to a new filing in Delaware Superior Court. He is scheduled to appear on Wednesday.
Tucker Carlson is set to face questioning on Friday. Lou Dobbs, whose Fox Business show was canceled last year, is scheduled to appear on Tuesday. Others who have been deposed recently include Jeanine Pirro, Steve Doocy and a number of high-level Fox producers, court records show.
People with knowledge of the case, who would speak only anonymously, said they expected that the chief executive of Fox News Media, Suzanne Scott, could be one of the next to be deposed, along with the president of Fox News, Jay Wallace. Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch, whose family owns Fox, could follow in the coming weeks.
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agip wrote:
SouthernmostIllini wrote:
Anybody that posts something blaming Trump for the pandemic or it’s effect on the economy is de facto dishonest and not worthy of being responded to.
anybody who posts something blaming Biden for the inflation or its effect on the economy is de facto dishonest and not worthy of being responded to.
Just to flesh out the point, here you can see how much of the stimulus was signed by Trump and how much by Biden.
TRUMP
Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act, 2020
Became law March 6, 2020.
Provided $8.3 billionTRUMP[/b[
Families First Coronavirus Response Act
Became law March 18, 2020.
The $225 billion legislation provided COVID-19 testing funds, paid sick leave, and food assistance funding.[b]TRUMP
CARES Act
Became law March 27, 2020.
The $2.2 trillion billTRUMP
Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act
Became law April 24, 2020
At $483 billion, the measure authorized more funding for the Paycheck Protection Program and funding for COVID-19 testing.TRUMP
Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2021
Signed into law on Dec. 28, 2020.
The $920 billion in total spending (attached to a larger government funding bill) included $600 stimulus checks, renewed the Paycheck Protection Program, provided billions for vaccines, and a renewal of a federal boost to unemployment benefits at $300 per week.BIDEN
American Rescue Plan, 2021
The first relief bill from the Biden presidency includes $1.9 trillion in total spending. The package has $1,400 stimulus checks, money for schools to reopen, and billions for vaccine distribution and development.22 -
agip wrote:
GOP Defamation Blotter
Billions and Billions Division
Good god the GOP is packed with liars and fabulists
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Some of the biggest names at Fox News have been questioned, or are scheduled to be questioned in the coming days, by lawyers representing Dominion Voting Systems in its $1.6 billion defamation suit against the network, as the election technology company presses ahead with a case that First Amendment scholars say is extraordinary in its scope and significance.
Sean Hannity became the latest Fox star to be called for a deposition by Dominion’s legal team, according to a new filing in Delaware Superior Court. He is scheduled to appear on Wednesday.
Tucker Carlson is set to face questioning on Friday. Lou Dobbs, whose Fox Business show was canceled last year, is scheduled to appear on Tuesday. Others who have been deposed recently include Jeanine Pirro, Steve Doocy and a number of high-level Fox producers, court records show.
People with knowledge of the case, who would speak only anonymously, said they expected that the chief executive of Fox News Media, Suzanne Scott, could be one of the next to be deposed, along with the president of Fox News, Jay Wallace. Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch, whose family owns Fox, could follow in the coming weeks.
While your (bolded) point is true, the fact that folks are being brought in for depositions is not, in itself, evidence of that. If/when the Fox folks lose the case, or are forced to pay large sums to make it go away, that will highlight evidence of them being "liars and fabulists". Being deposed is not really evidence of anything other than that a case is being pursued.
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GOP Crime Blotter
Right Hand on the Bible Division
Georgia’s Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is seeking testimony from Mark Meadows, former President Donald Trump’s final chief of staff, according to a court filing, as she investigates efforts by Mr. Trump and his allies to overturn the state’s 2020 election results.
Ms. Willis, a Democrat, said in the filing Thursday that she is seeking to have Mr. Meadows appear before a special grand jury in Atlanta in September.
Mr. Meadows couldn’t immediately be reached for comment. Mr. Trump has denied any wrongdoing and has accused Ms. Willis of a political witch hunt.
In the filing, Ms. Willis cited a telephone call between Mr. Trump and Georgia’s Republican Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, in which Mr. Trump told the secretary of state he wanted to “find 11,780 votes” so he could overcome Democrat Joe Biden’s victory in the state, according to a recording of the call released last year.21 -
This is just perfect. How conservatives are always on the wrong side of history, keeping the people down.
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Hardloper wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
But you don't mind the giveaways to rich corporations, right?
Like what? You have to be more specific. Most corporate tax breaks are designed to encourage them to do certain things like go green, create certain types of jobs, build affordable housing, etc. (Democrats love passing these tax incentives and then complaining that corporations don't pay taxes.) But this loan forgiveness plan does the opposite, it rewards the wrong behavior on the borrowers and the schools.
Why is going to college the wrong behavior? And it's not the student's fault that college costs too much.
Under Trump we had massive tax breaks for wealthy corporations and wealthy individuals. It wasn't targeted at all. It was just free money. And Republicans loved it.
None of it is right. And I'd rather see this money spent on other things. But the wealthy got their huge tax breaks. Now it's time for the middle class to get their share of the giveaways.
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SouthernmostIllini wrote:
Anybody that posts something blaming Trump for the pandemic or it’s effect on the economy is de facto dishonest and not worthy of being responded to.
One could say the same thing - and be far more accurate in doing so - about people who pretend that through his incompetence, stupidity, and above all, utter lack of caring for peoples' health and lives Trump didn't make the pandemic far, far worse than it should have been. Hundreds of thousands of Trumper morans died because he directly influenced their sad brains to be against wearing masks and getting the vaccine. Among many other failures in his handling of COVID.
And who is the current heir apparent to Trump? Who do Rs love and say is Trump without as much badness? The same guy who's mocking Fauci THIS week. Sound familiar?
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agip wrote:
SouthernmostIllini wrote:
Anybody that posts something blaming Trump for the pandemic or it’s effect on the economy is de facto dishonest and not worthy of being responded to.
anybody who posts something blaming Biden for the inflation or its effect on the economy is de facto dishonest and not worthy of being responded to.
True.
Biden is doing nothing.
Now the people who actually run the Biden admin.....they are fully the cause
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Fat hurts wrote:
Hardloper wrote:
Like what? You have to be more specific. Most corporate tax breaks are designed to encourage them to do certain things like go green, create certain types of jobs, build affordable housing, etc. (Democrats love passing these tax incentives and then complaining that corporations don't pay taxes.) But this loan forgiveness plan does the opposite, it rewards the wrong behavior on the borrowers and the schools.
Why is going to college the wrong behavior? And it's not the student's fault that college costs too much.
Under Trump we had massive tax breaks for wealthy corporations and wealthy individuals. It wasn't targeted at all. It was just free money. And Republicans loved it.
None of it is right. And I'd rather see this money spent on other things. But the wealthy got their huge tax breaks. Now it's time for the middle class to get their share of the giveaways.
Going to college obviously isn't bad, at least in a lot of cases. But being of modest means and going into debt multiple 5-figures, or even 6, for an undergrad (or Associate's) degree from a no-prestige private institution is fairly dumb - especially given the existence of far less expensive state schools. Not sure government should be bailing you out.
Less dumb and more entitled is being of at least decent means and going deep into debt getting an undergrad degree from a higher prestige institution, and then whining that the tax payers should bail you out. More sure that government shouldn't be bailing out this group.
I know that the government has successfully gone after shady, expensive, for-profit schools. If there's more juice to squeeze there, they should. And if there are other things that government can do to contain tuition increase across higher ed, they should do that, too.
But forgiving the debt of adults who made willful decisions on how to spend their money (or lack thereof) understandably doesn't go down terribly well with millions of Americans - both well-educated, and not.
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nonequals wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Why is going to college the wrong behavior? And it's not the student's fault that college costs too much.
Under Trump we had massive tax breaks for wealthy corporations and wealthy individuals. It wasn't targeted at all. It was just free money. And Republicans loved it.
None of it is right. And I'd rather see this money spent on other things. But the wealthy got their huge tax breaks. Now it's time for the middle class to get their share of the giveaways.
Going to college obviously isn't bad, at least in a lot of cases. But being of modest means and going into debt multiple 5-figures, or even 6, for an undergrad (or Associate's) degree from a no-prestige private institution is fairly dumb - especially given the existence of far less expensive state schools. Not sure government should be bailing you out.
Less dumb and more entitled is being of at least decent means and going deep into debt getting an undergrad degree from a higher prestige institution, and then whining that the tax payers should bail you out. More sure that government shouldn't be bailing out this group.
I know that the government has successfully gone after shady, expensive, for-profit schools. If there's more juice to squeeze there, they should. And if there are other things that government can do to contain tuition increase across higher ed, they should do that, too.
But forgiving the debt of adults who made willful decisions on how to spend their money (or lack thereof) understandably doesn't go down terribly well with millions of Americans - both well-educated, and not.
I agree with all of that.
But if the government is going to give huge tax breaks to the wealthy, which Republicans love, they shouldn't complain when we give something to the middle class as well.
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Bet that Chevy Volt sounded like a good idea at first.
Uh, no thanks. I'll pass.
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Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Bet that Chevy Volt sounded like a good idea at first.
Uh, no thanks. I'll pass.
I regret to inform you that today standard EV battery warranties are 8 years / 100,000 miles.
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Never forget what our Senile POTUS did last year:
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f**k things up"- Obama
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While the GQP is still counting votes from the 2020 election in a an attempt to figure out who won and trying to come up with justifications for their emperor keeping top secret/sensitive compartmented documents in a container in an office closet, Dark Brandon continues to rise as he putting in the working on behalf of the people who voted for him.
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Fat hurts wrote:
nonequals wrote:
Going to college obviously isn't bad, at least in a lot of cases. But being of modest means and going into debt multiple 5-figures, or even 6, for an undergrad (or Associate's) degree from a no-prestige private institution is fairly dumb - especially given the existence of far less expensive state schools. Not sure government should be bailing you out.
Less dumb and more entitled is being of at least decent means and going deep into debt getting an undergrad degree from a higher prestige institution, and then whining that the tax payers should bail you out. More sure that government shouldn't be bailing out this group.
I know that the government has successfully gone after shady, expensive, for-profit schools. If there's more juice to squeeze there, they should. And if there are other things that government can do to contain tuition increase across higher ed, they should do that, too.
But forgiving the debt of adults who made willful decisions on how to spend their money (or lack thereof) understandably doesn't go down terribly well with millions of Americans - both well-educated, and not.
I agree with all of that.
But if the government is going to give huge tax breaks to the wealthy, which Republicans love, they shouldn't complain when we give something to the middle class as well.
No argument.
Of course, the really bad thing is that we're now in a virtually "post-argument" country. Both sides do it, but on the R side I think that it's now much, much worse: "D bad, R good."
Zero concern for consistency, zero concern for honesty. If Trump or Desantis came out for student loan debt relief tomorrow, they would show zero shame in being ALL for it.
Much more importantly, we now get from them, "Russia/Putin not SO bad," and, "FBI REALLY bad," and "Respecting valid election results not so important," and, "Purposely mishandling highly classified defense/intel documents not SO bad," and.........
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