Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

nonequals wrote:

Flagpole Willy wrote:

Your confusion has to do with the fact that you can't IMAGINE that there are a lot of really really dumb people out there. I am a highly-educated person with friends and family who are also. I have been surrounded by educated people my whole life. It took all the way until Jan. 6 before I realized exactly HOW STUPID these Trumpers are...and they really are, and there are really that many of them. I am confident that you will eventually come the realization that yes, there really are that many people out there who are THAT stupid.

This is a strange and surprising back and forth to have on this topic. My only guess is that maybe we're talking about two different groups of people?

Surely, my assertion that a large fraction of the 70-something million who voted for him have above-average intelligence couldn't be in question, could it? Or, flipped the other way, you're not saying that just about all of that group has well below average intelligence, right?

The other possibility is that you're only talking about his core group of mouth-breathers, a good sampling of which showed up on 6 Jan? I would agree that that slice could likely be much less intelligent than the voted-for-him average. Still though, I can EASILY imagine that tons of people in that mob are quite intelligent and/or have lived quite decent and successful lives.

Pulling back, here's another way to look at it: There are fundamentally 2 groups of Trump supporters:

1) Those ACTUALLY too dumb to see him for what he is. As many dumb f**** as there are out there (I recently passed half a century wandering around here, so please don't tell me I don't know), I still don't think that this explains MOST of the total Trump group.

2) Those smart enough to see what he is, but STILL prefer him for a host of reasons, with the main one probably being an intense dislike for most or all things "liberal." This group includes just about every R politician and official in this country, and tens of millions of reasonably intelligent and/or reasonably well-educated voters.

And I will admit that featured prominently in this latter group is a flavor of stupidity that causes one to improperly weigh the importance of issues - e.g., transgender bathrooms vs. honesty, or marginal differences [maybe!] in illegal immigration versus democracy, or PC/woke crap versus intentionally flubbing a pandemic, etc., etc.

And while this form of stupidity drives me crazy, I still think that it falls more in a "blind spot stupidity" category (populated by LOTS of smart and/or well-educated people), rather than something found ONLY in the truly, uniformly, REALLY dumb group of folks you're talking about.

Lastly, where I think that I will fully agree with you regards rural America. The Trump era sure seems to show that the intellectual disrespect given to the average hayseed in your average rural town or field was......way more deserved than we might have hoped. Red county, dumb f*** county.....ROUGHLY speaking.

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

Flagpole Willy wrote:

Facts with no appropriate context.

1) She's old and could easily have died without the vaccines she had. As it is, she has had mild to NO symptoms in each stage.

2) Rebound positive tests are extremely common for people who take Paxlovid, but they are also greatly protected from serious illness.

3) If you haven't gotten vaccinated at all, you are a fool.

3) You ALWAYS believe in government group think like the good sheep that you are. I'll take my chances with over a 99% survival rate. There will never be any spike proteins circulating in my body and my blood remains pure.

Except for a mild bout of Omicron which lasted a couple days back in December, I haven't had so much as a cold ever since. Since Covid has mutated into a weaker and weaker strain, we have ended up with a glorified cold and it seems that the majority of the folks getting repeat Covid are the vaccinated.

Keep up with your endless booster shots and down the road, we will see what long term damage you have done to your body.

I remain Covid & flu shot free and know for a fact that several of you wish I would get Covid and die. Sorry, but I will continue to fight you stupid libs for a long, long time.

Flagpole Willy wrote:

nonequals wrote:

This is a strange and surprising back and forth to have on this topic. My only guess is that maybe we're talking about two different groups of people?

Surely, my assertion that a large fraction of the 70-something million who voted for him have above-average intelligence couldn't be in question, could it? Or, flipped the other way, you're not saying that just about all of that group has well below average intelligence, right?

The other possibility is that you're only talking about his core group of mouth-breathers, a good sampling of which showed up on 6 Jan? I would agree that that slice could likely be much less intelligent than the voted-for-him average. Still though, I can EASILY imagine that tons of people in that mob are quite intelligent and/or have lived quite decent and successful lives.

Pulling back, here's another way to look at it: There are fundamentally 2 groups of Trump supporters:

1) Those ACTUALLY too dumb to see him for what he is. As many dumb f**** as there are out there (I recently passed half a century wandering around here, so please don't tell me I don't know), I still don't think that this explains MOST of the total Trump group.

2) Those smart enough to see what he is, but STILL prefer him for a host of reasons, with the main one probably being an intense dislike for most or all things "liberal." This group includes just about every R politician and official in this country, and tens of millions of reasonably intelligent and/or reasonably well-educated voters.

And I will admit that featured prominently in this latter group is a flavor of stupidity that causes one to improperly weigh the importance of issues - e.g., transgender bathrooms vs. honesty, or marginal differences [maybe!] in illegal immigration versus democracy, or PC/woke crap versus intentionally flubbing a pandemic, etc., etc.

And while this form of stupidity drives me crazy, I still think that it falls more in a "blind spot stupidity" category (populated by LOTS of smart and/or well-educated people), rather than something found ONLY in the truly, uniformly, REALLY dumb group of folks you're talking about.

Lastly, where I think that I will fully agree with you regards rural America. The Trump era sure seems to show that the intellectual disrespect given to the average hayseed in your average rural town or field was......way more deserved than we might have hoped. Red county, dumb f*** county.....ROUGHLY speaking.

Stupid is as stupid does. A vote for or a support of Donald Trump is an affront to our Democratic Republic. It is anti-American. It is dangerous. Donald Trump should not be in charge of anything that affects even a single person other than himself, and to support him on ANY level shows incredible stupidity. There is NO reason that justifies supporting that POS criminal moron. You said in another post that you clearly "gave the American populace WAY too much credit." YES! Go with that. You are giving Trumpers too much credit that there can be ANYTHING other that massive stupidity to be that way.

Again, my position on this has evolved over time. Back in 2016, I clearly did not like him, but I had NO IDEA he was the criminal man he is. I have NO IDEA how absolutely stupid he was. I had NO IDEA how bad of a businessman he has actually been all these years. He's a moron. He never read anything they gave him when he was in the White House unless they peppered his name throughout or it had nice big pictures. He spent most of his day watching television or spending millions of dollars of taxpayer money going golfing, but of course the biggest two things are:

1) He invited and incited the insurrectionists to try to stop the official counting of electoral votes in an effort to overturn our election.

2) He STOLE top secret and classified material INCLUDING nuclear weapons secrets from the US Government, didn't return all of the materials when asked nicely to, refused to return the rest when in discussions with the DOJ with his lawyer present, ignored one subpoena to return the material and then ignored a second subpoena before they finally had no choice but to issue a search warrant. Nothing any President or former President has done even REMOTELY approaches this level of criminality.

So yeah, ANYONE who supports Trump for ANY reason is a moron of epic proportions, WITHOUT exception.

runnerboy70 wrote:

Flagpole Willy wrote:

Stupid is as stupid does. A vote for or a support of Donald Trump is an affront to our Democratic Republic. It is anti-American. It is dangerous. Donald Trump should not be in charge of anything that affects even a single person other than himself, and to support him on ANY level shows incredible stupidity. There is NO reason that justifies supporting that POS criminal moron. You said in another post that you clearly "gave the American populace WAY too much credit." YES! Go with that. You are giving Trumpers too much credit that there can be ANYTHING other that massive stupidity to be that way.

Again, my position on this has evolved over time. Back in 2016, I clearly did not like him, but I had NO IDEA he was the criminal man he is. I have NO IDEA how absolutely stupid he was. I had NO IDEA how bad of a businessman he has actually been all these years. He's a moron. He never read anything they gave him when he was in the White House unless they peppered his name throughout or it had nice big pictures. He spent most of his day watching television or spending millions of dollars of taxpayer money going golfing, but of course the biggest two things are:

1) He invited and incited the insurrectionists to try to stop the official counting of electoral votes in an effort to overturn our election.

2) He STOLE top secret and classified material INCLUDING nuclear weapons secrets from the US Government, didn't return all of the materials when asked nicely to, refused to return the rest when in discussions with the DOJ with his lawyer present, ignored one subpoena to return the material and then ignored a second subpoena before they finally had no choice but to issue a search warrant. Nothing any President or former President has done even REMOTELY approaches this level of criminality.

So yeah, ANYONE who supports Trump for ANY reason is a moron of epic proportions, WITHOUT exception.

What crime has he been convicted off? lol

Liar, liar, pants on fire....

Flagpole Willy wrote:

nonequals wrote:

This is a strange and surprising back and forth to have on this topic. My only guess is that maybe we're talking about two different groups of people?

Surely, my assertion that a large fraction of the 70-something million who voted for him have above-average intelligence couldn't be in question, could it? Or, flipped the other way, you're not saying that just about all of that group has well below average intelligence, right?

The other possibility is that you're only talking about his core group of mouth-breathers, a good sampling of which showed up on 6 Jan? I would agree that that slice could likely be much less intelligent than the voted-for-him average. Still though, I can EASILY imagine that tons of people in that mob are quite intelligent and/or have lived quite decent and successful lives.

Pulling back, here's another way to look at it: There are fundamentally 2 groups of Trump supporters:

1) Those ACTUALLY too dumb to see him for what he is. As many dumb f**** as there are out there (I recently passed half a century wandering around here, so please don't tell me I don't know), I still don't think that this explains MOST of the total Trump group.

2) Those smart enough to see what he is, but STILL prefer him for a host of reasons, with the main one probably being an intense dislike for most or all things "liberal." This group includes just about every R politician and official in this country, and tens of millions of reasonably intelligent and/or reasonably well-educated voters.

And I will admit that featured prominently in this latter group is a flavor of stupidity that causes one to improperly weigh the importance of issues - e.g., transgender bathrooms vs. honesty, or marginal differences [maybe!] in illegal immigration versus democracy, or PC/woke crap versus intentionally flubbing a pandemic, etc., etc.

And while this form of stupidity drives me crazy, I still think that it falls more in a "blind spot stupidity" category (populated by LOTS of smart and/or well-educated people), rather than something found ONLY in the truly, uniformly, REALLY dumb group of folks you're talking about.

Lastly, where I think that I will fully agree with you regards rural America. The Trump era sure seems to show that the intellectual disrespect given to the average hayseed in your average rural town or field was......way more deserved than we might have hoped. Red county, dumb f*** county.....ROUGHLY speaking.

Stupid is as stupid does. A vote for or a support of Donald Trump is an affront to our Democratic Republic. It is anti-American. It is dangerous. Donald Trump should not be in charge of anything that affects even a single person other than himself, and to support him on ANY level shows incredible stupidity. There is NO reason that justifies supporting that POS criminal moron. You said in another post that you clearly "gave the American populace WAY too much credit." YES! Go with that. You are giving Trumpers too much credit that there can be ANYTHING other that massive stupidity to be that way.

Again, my position on this has evolved over time. Back in 2016, I clearly did not like him, but I had NO IDEA he was the criminal man he is. I have NO IDEA how absolutely stupid he was. I had NO IDEA how bad of a businessman he has actually been all these years. He's a moron. He never read anything they gave him when he was in the White House unless they peppered his name throughout or it had nice big pictures. He spent most of his day watching television or spending millions of dollars of taxpayer money going golfing, but of course the biggest two things are:

1) He invited and incited the insurrectionists to try to stop the official counting of electoral votes in an effort to overturn our election.

2) He STOLE top secret and classified material INCLUDING nuclear weapons secrets from the US Government, didn't return all of the materials when asked nicely to, refused to return the rest when in discussions with the DOJ with his lawyer present, ignored one subpoena to return the material and then ignored a second subpoena before they finally had no choice but to issue a search warrant. Nothing any President or former President has done even REMOTELY approaches this level of criminality.

So yeah, ANYONE who supports Trump for ANY reason is a moron of epic proportions, WITHOUT exception.