Guelph Implodes

I think this might actually be more well known in the TO track community. I heard about it from someone who trained in Toronto for several years.

My guess is that nobody at Guelph talked about it out either fear or respect for DST and the program.

Why would it be more well known in Toronto? Is it because someone left Guelph to run for Toronto in the mid 2000s?

I stand corrected, sorry my bad.

In 2004 she was 19 years old so most likely not in high-school.

It’s definitely bad for everyone involved. Turns out DST has lied pathologically for decades- to EVERYONE

GuelphU seems to have retooled the last few years - staff is mostly all new and mostly all sprints jumps throws coaches now and most of them likely have no idea who DST really is and what skeletons are in his closet. A lot of people have been duped in this and we should be all grateful that the BS can finally stop.

oldlegs wrote:

The running community at Guelph did not know? No way. The 2004-2005 story is so well known it is unbelievable. I heard it personally from the young lady involved (I trained/ did off-day runs with her just after these events for about 2 years). She was never believed, and felt shunned by the Guelph folks for years.

If this was the reason for DST's dismissal (and it is not clear it is the reason, for how do we explain the recent exodus of athletes and the recent allegations of misconduct?) then the whole culture at Guelph needs to be analysed.

I hope a few of you Guelph guys who knew what was going back then, and recently, come clean .

I don't recall anything

Why is Boyd going on about bidding for a dumb cross country meet when the issue here seems to be a relationship between coach and athlete?

Nobody cares where ACXC is or who is hosting.

GodBlessUsports wrote:

Why is Boyd going on about bidding for a dumb cross country meet when the issue here seems to be a relationship between coach and athlete?

Nobody cares where ACXC is or who is hosting.

He is providing more context of the overall secrecy and culture that DST reigned over, which in large part allowed this incident to go unannounced for so long. The XC meet bidding and other ethically dubious activities are highly relevant to this discussion.

Agreed, that the bid-rigging it speaks not only to DST's unscrupulous side but also to AC's complicity in working with him. However, I would agree (as, I suspect, would Boyd) that the discussion has gone down a bit too far of a tangent in looking at that incident(s) again. The conversation here should be re-focused on his greater sins - from his abuse of athletes to the potential crimes purported here.

If there’s an independent inquiry into this then there could be some people from Athletics Canada, Speed River TC, and The University Of Guelph in deep s—t (resigning or fired) if they’re forced to talk to investigators and it turns out people in those organizations knew about these rumours and did nothing.

As a male varsity running at U of G in the mid-2000’s the amount of outside innuendo around “we all should’ve known” is startling. I mean, if any of us saw (or directly heard from the victim(s) anything physically, or abusive or harassment whatsoever do you not think out of the dozens and dozens of people in the program (heck hundreds over the years) that at least one person would not have reported it and come forward? I mean people cheat on the their wives for years without getting caught (or ever). Plus, the narrative from DST, which we all now know were lies, also didn’t help for any clarity during that time. Also, we were aware of a review back around that time, but nothing come up (that I’m aware of, so assume things were fine). Furthermore, Guelph wasn’t the juggernaut it is now, with just a handful of very part-time assistant coaches and staff, who generally just make it to practice a few times per week, and a few weekends away (not the full time embedded assistance coaches as of now). I can’t speak for any staff associated at the time, but I’m sure they are in the same boat that us athletes are from back then – completely stunned.

Just because you “heard” something on the outside, doesn’t always mean it’s true. If you all knowing people on the outside know everything, why the heck didn’t you report it then right away? (instead of waiting until now, and bashing people on the message board that they should’ve known better, when probably none of us knew anything).

In the end, a whole bunch of people’s lives will change forever out of this, and this is a sad, sad time for the sport in Canada. There are a lot of good people that have come out of the Guelph program that are hurting right now, especially any victim(s).

I'm not even sure what the rumours are at this point and I was at Guelph over the 2004/05 time period.

Some athletes loved him, some didn't. Some spent 4/5 years in the program, some didn't last, and some came in at the end of their career. And I guess there's something about an athlete who doesn't need to be named that left for Toronto... I was at Guelph when she was, but never heard about anything as serious as is being insinuated here.

But to throw more out there: it wasn't unheard of for him to show up at a bar or party with team members and be quite drunk. There was an issue between a male and female member of the team that should've involved police but I don't remember if it ever did (this was 15 years ago).. though I think the guy left the school to go back to the east coast.

Shout out to the Guelph juggernaut of 2015...

Scroll forward to 6min to see the good stuff.

https://www.trackie.com/USports/TNF/Videos/2015-oua-3000-men-h2/5422/

Never said every single UoG athlete should have known and reported things. But yeah, if any SR or UoG coach, UoG athletic department person or AC person knew about these unprofessional accusations and did nothing then they’re going to come out of this looking really bad. Just look how bad it turned out after the Ottawa Lions report and the Vancouver Whitecaps Women’s team scandal from this year.

DST and his wife run through Preservation Park in Guelph. A couple of years ago MB and her husband/boyfriend were running in there, too. What do you think was happening? What were the psychological dynamics?

jimmyx wrote:

Please tell more.....also another underrated thing is, did DST use protection or not...this may come out in the upcoming globe article, and could cost DST millions in a divorce settlement as its putting his wife at risk if he didnt.

Please read up on divorce law.

Why did Lindsay Carson leave UofG without finishing undergrad there?

Man you just NASTYY!!!

I only know LCarson a little bit...not sure her exact reason, I also forget far more about all these situations than most of you ever knew.