No, you would not expect a 2:01 from a 58:42 (and more regularly a 59min) guy
Kiptum has run under 59, but only once and in 2020. Since then he has run 28:17, 28:27, 59:02 and 59mid. None of those times correlate to a 2:01 Marathon. Even his 58:42 doesn't really.
True, but lots of runners improve over long distances from age 21 - his 58:42 - to age 23. he should still get better during the next couple of years.
Just look at Rupp, Fisher, Ahmed and Farah. Or Cherono, Kipchoge and Kipsang...
Valencia was a reminder once again, as if we needed any more reminders, that the marathon is an event all to itself. Having super fast track, or even half times, are nice to have, but no guarantee of an automatic commensurate time in the marathon. Gidey had a wonderful debut race, and certainly she will run faster, but no, a future world record is not ordained. Obiri and now Gidey are a reminder that you just cannot project amazing 10K and half performances to the marathon distance. Kiptum is a reminder of this too, in reverse. It might work out, but just as likely not to.
Kelvin Kiptum has been supreme over the half marathon in the last few years churning 58mins and 59 mins.I wasn't surprised at all by the performance. Sheillah Chepkirui too had a brilliant debut.
Many emerging top athletes took advantage of the fact that the spotlight was on Gidey and performed well.
The pacemakers strangely sabotaged the women world record attempt by deciding to stay with Gidey who was struggling in the last few kilometres instead of helping the leading athlete maintain pace and break the world record. That was out of order.
Yet again I am vindicated on Julian Wonders.Its nothing against him or Canova.I have tremendous respect for both of them .As I said before I watched for several weeks in Iten Kenya the training of that group it is clearly too much.The workouts are extreme.The athletes seem exhausted and overtrained.
Eh, remember what happened to the last kiptum that ran shockingly fast in Valencia. If it seems too good to be true, it usually is.
"Gidey would struggle home, running 35:29 for her final 7.195k (7:56 mile pace)." From your recap.... if she ran 2:16:49, your math puts her at 1:41:20ish for 35k, or sub 2:02:15 marathon pace.
Brilliant. Lol.How many people on this forum get the joke though?
Anyway, I think Valencia is now the marathon to go to for a Brilliant debut and PRs. Back in the day it used to be Rotterdam marathon. Perhaps in future it will rival Berlin for place to go for world record attempts.
About Kiptum,he is the real deal.Notice he is physically built like an Ethiopian runner.Has more of an Ethiopian attitude too.
It does look like the first 5k splits for all women are off on the official results, by like 3:52 or so for Gidey. Gidey's first 5k looks to be 19:59 and Beriso was 19:00....
Even so, that puts Gidey's last 2.195km at 6:19 pace... and John's math is still off.
Brilliant. Lol.How many people on this forum get the joke though?
Anyway, I think Valencia is now the marathon to go to for a Brilliant debut and PRs. Back in the day it used to be Rotterdam marathon. Perhaps in future it will rival Berlin for place to go for world record attempts.
About Kiptum,he is the real deal.Notice he is physically built like an Ethiopian runner.Has more of an Ethiopian attitude too.
What does that mean? Specifically, the Ethiopian attitude?
I think of the Kenyan attitude as give it a go and no biggie if something fails, there's another day to try.
Winner is like the bronze medalist at Tokyo women’s 10000m. Gidey is probably shocked she stayed with her. Why did this winner not even selected for the Kenyan marathon team at OR22?
Winner is like the bronze medalist at Tokyo women’s 10000m. Gidey is probably shocked she stayed with her. Why did this winner not even selected for the Kenyan marathon team at OR22?
It does look like the first 5k splits for all women are off on the official results, by like 3:52 or so for Gidey. Gidey's first 5k looks to be 19:59 and Beriso was 19:00....
Even so, that puts Gidey's last 2.195km at 6:19 pace... and John's math is still off.
Agreed. If she really did her last 4 miles (which is less than 7k) at 7:56 pace, then just by going 5:56 pace she could have lopped off 8 minutes and run 2:08. Gidey is fast, but not that fast...
Coverage was reasonably good, ad free and commentators that weren't annoying.
However, a race like this should have KM splits or at least markers, I didn't see any. Also the update of 5km splits was either delayed or missing and projections for females were inaccurate, which was why despite putting the hammer down, she actually went 'further' from the WR projection
My only wish this year is that www.letsrun.com forums installs a filter that delay for 24 or 48 hours ALL posts containing the word "doping" and its synonyms etc - so as to make threads readable again.
+1
The constant barrage of baseless accusations has already ruined this forum and is only hurting the sport.
Valencia was a reminder once again, as if we needed any more reminders, that the marathon is an event all to itself. Having super fast track, or even half times, are nice to have, but no guarantee of an automatic commensurate time in the marathon. Gidey had a wonderful debut race, and certainly she will run faster, but no, a future world record is not ordained. Obiri and now Gidey are a reminder that you just cannot project amazing 10K and half performances to the marathon distance. Kiptum is a reminder of this too, in reverse. It might work out, but just as likely not to.
One thing is that Kiptum has skipped the track and is attacking the marathon fresh in his career as a 23 year-old, after years of fast half-marathons.
Geb already showed us what athletes are capable of, before the era of new shoes, at the end of a long 17-year career staring with juniors, cross-country, track, and finally the marathon in the twilight of his career.
Kipchoge and Bekele showed us what difference the new shoes make, again for two athletes at the end of lengthy careers starting as juniors, after cross-country and track.
It should be unsurprising to find young 20-somethings able to run faster than their 35+ year-old selves, and running similarly world record threatening times under ideal weather conditions, in a well paced race, on a fast course.
Pretend you were an unbiased journalist for AP wire:
Kelvin Kiptum, a 23 year old man who entered today's Marathon as the 20th fastest 1/2 Marathoner all time has won V Marathon today with a time of 2:01:53. Mr K Kiptum is now the 3rd fastest Marathoner all time. Poster, why shouldn't a sub-59 1/2 Marathoner also race sub-2:02 Marathon? You should have been shocked when he raced sub-59 1/2 Marathon, not shocked today. We saw today on female and male side, 10000m on the track is not strongly correlated with Marathon results. I have stated for years on this site, there are 3000m to 1/2 Marathon athletes. 3000m to 1/2 Marathon athletes may race Marathon in a time that correlates strongly with 3000m to 1/2 Marathon times or maybe not. Kelvin Kiptum certainly is not a 3000m to 1/2 Marathon athlete. Kelvin Kiptum is a 1/2 Marathoner & Marathoner. He could most likely be a top 50K man if he chooses to race 50K.
Do you believe in talent ?? Yes or not ??? You and another poster that point out how this Kiptum has 59' half marathon time blah blah blah blah.
Now consider this . Who are the absolute GOAT in distance running ??? Bekele and Kipchoge right ??? At least those ones more near to us , then of course if we look back there are many others , from Tergat , Gebre etc.etc.
Now if Kipchoge and even more Bekele it took years of marathons to go sub 2:02. How the hell we can believe that this guy at his first marathon run a sub 2:02 ??? It's just against common sense , but I know that these shocking and upset performance are the result of a rampant system of doping like we have in Kenya
Two case or we are in front of the greatest distance runner ever lived on the planet or the guy is just another kenyan to add to the long list of great dopers
My only wish this year is that www.letsrun.com forums installs a filter that delay for 24 or 48 hours ALL posts containing the word "doping" and its synonyms etc - so as to make threads readable again.
+1
The constant barrage of baseless accusations has already ruined this forum and is only hurting the sport.
The constant barrage of doping busts - which you cannot see (they are all "victims") - has done more to damage the sport.
Valencia was a reminder once again, as if we needed any more reminders, that the marathon is an event all to itself. Having super fast track, or even half times, are nice to have, but no guarantee of an automatic commensurate time in the marathon. Gidey had a wonderful debut race, and certainly she will run faster, but no, a future world record is not ordained. Obiri and now Gidey are a reminder that you just cannot project amazing 10K and half performances to the marathon distance. Kiptum is a reminder of this too, in reverse. It might work out, but just as likely not to.
One thing is that Kiptum has skipped the track and is attacking the marathon fresh in his career as a 23 year-old, after years of fast half-marathons.
Geb already showed us what athletes are capable of, before the era of new shoes, at the end of a long 17-year career staring with juniors, cross-country, track, and finally the marathon in the twilight of his career.
Kipchoge and Bekele showed us what difference the new shoes make, again for two athletes at the end of lengthy careers starting as juniors, after cross-country and track.
It should be unsurprising to find young 20-somethings able to run faster than their 35+ year-old selves, and running similarly world record threatening times under ideal weather conditions, in a well paced race, on a fast course.
We should never be surprised at what is possible in doped sport.
Valencia was a reminder once again, as if we needed any more reminders, that the marathon is an event all to itself. Having super fast track, or even half times, are nice to have, but no guarantee of an automatic commensurate time in the marathon. Gidey had a wonderful debut race, and certainly she will run faster, but no, a future world record is not ordained. Obiri and now Gidey are a reminder that you just cannot project amazing 10K and half performances to the marathon distance. Kiptum is a reminder of this too, in reverse. It might work out, but just as likely not to.
You sound more like a typical old man ranting about nothing rather than a wise old man. Just because you didn't think she would get the WR doesn't mean you should subject everyone to your thinly veiled gloating.
You probably posted the same pretentious garbage when Bekele missed the WR by 2 seconds. What a joke.
