Three more Kenyan runners busted

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    Mr. Dopkemboi Kipcheater

    Member since 07/24/2021.

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    2 years ago 04/12/2022 4:37pm EDT
    re: Passant

    Passant wrote:

    They talk about EPO in these two articles:

    Revisiting Daniel Komen

    Link:kevinbeck.substack.com/p/revisiting-da...

    (Part 1)

    Link:kevinbeck.substack.com/p/revisiting-da...

    (Part 2)

    If this EPO theory stands, the Algerian Noureddine Morceli should be the first to join the club. Indeed the gap is to big between his performance the years 91/92 before the big jump in 1995.

    This the reason I think Aouita was the greater of all.

    LOL You can identify the cheats by just looking at the annual Top 10 lists. Just look at the time of the 10th best runner. This will give you a very good idea, when it started. Morceli was a pioneer, however.

    1990
    1. Nourradine Morceli ALG 1970 3'32"60 2. Peter Elliot GBR 1962 3'32"69 3. Gennaro Di Napoli ITA 1968 3'32"78 4. Wilfred Kirochi KEN 1969 3'32"90 5. Steve Cram GBR 1960 3'33"03 6. Jens Peter Herold DDR 1965 3'33"2 7. Herve Phileppeau FRA 1962 3'33"54 8. Joe Falcon USA 1966 3'33"6 9. Jose Luis Gonzales ESP 1957 3'33"87 10. Tony Morrell GBR 1962 3'34"1

    1991
    1. Nourradine Morceli ALG 1970 3'31"00 2. Simon Doyle AUS 1966 3'31"96 3. Fermin Cacho ESP 1969 3'32"03 4. Peter Elliot GBR 1962 3'32"94 5. Said Aouita MAR 1960 3'33"28 6. David Kibet KEN 1963 3'33"51 7. Wilfred Kirochi KEN 1969 3'33"6 8. Jim Spivey USA 1960 3'33"7 9. Gennaro Di Napoli ITA 1968 3'33"74 10. Matthew Yates GBR 1969 3'34"00

    1992
    1. Nourradine Morceli ALG 1970 3'28"82 2. David Kibet KEN 1963 3'32"13 3. William Kemei KEN 1969 3'32"41 4. Wilfred Kirochi KEN 1969 3'32"49 5. Fermin Cacho ESP 1969 3'32"69 6. Jens Peter Herold DDR 1965 3'32"77 7. Jim Spivey USA 1960 3'32"94 8. Joseph Chesire KEN 1957 3'33"12 9. Jonah Birir KEN 1971 3'33"36 10. Gennaro Di Napoli ITA 1968 3'33"80

    1993
    1. Nourradine Morceli ALG 1970 3'29"20 2. Fermin Cacho ESP 1969 3'32"01 3. Abdi Bile SOM 1964 3'32"83 4. Mohamed Suleiman QAT 1969 3'33"29 5. Simon Doyle AUS 1966 3'33"39 6. Johan Landsman SAF 1964 3'33"56 7. Jonah Birir KEN 1971 3'33"86 8. David Kibet KEN 1963 3'33"88 9. Jens Peter Herold DDR 1965 3'34"42 10. Atoi Boru KEN 1973 3'34"61

    1994
    1. Nourradine Morceli ALG 1970 3'30"61 2. Venuste Nyongabo BUR 1973 3'30"66 3. Azzeddine Sediki MAR 1970 3'32"71 4. Mohamed Suleiman QAT 1969 3'32"73 5. Hicham El Gerrouji MAR 1974 3'33"61 6. Abdi Bile SOM 1964 3'33"63 7. Atoi Boru KEN 1973 3'34"12 8. Gennaro Di Napoli ITA 1968 3'34"42 9. Moses Kiptanui KEN 1971 3'34"44 10. Benson Koech KEN 1974 3'34"72

    1995
    1. Nourradine Morceli ALG 1970 3'27"37 2. Venuste Nyongabo BUR 1973 3'30"78 3. Hicham El Gerrouji MAR 1974 3'31"16 4. William Kemei KEN 1969 3'31"40 5. Azzeddine Sediki MAR 1970 3'31"48 6. Steve Holman USA 1970 3'32"01 7. Eric Dubus FRA 1966 3'32"37 8. Gennaro Di Napoli ITA 1968 3'32"94 9. Mohamed Suleiman QAT 1969 3'33"37 10. William Tanui KEN 1964 3'33"69

    1996
    1. Hicham El Gerrouji MAR 1974 3'29"05 2. Nourradine Morceli ALG 1970 3'29"50 3. Venuste Nyongabo BUR 1973 3'30"09 4. Laban Rotich KEN 1969 3'31"06 5. William Tanui KEN 1964 3'31"20 6. Stephen Kipkorir KEN 1970 3'31"87 7. Elija Maru KEN 1976 3'32"07 8. Fermin Cacho ESP 1969 3'32"58 9. Moses Kigen KEN 3'32"84 10. Benson Koech KEN 1974 3'32"90

    1997
    1. Hicham El Gerrouji MAR 1974 3'28"91 2. Fermin Cacho ESP 1969 3'28"95 3. Venuste Nyongabo BUR 1973 3'29"18 4. Daniel Komen KEN 1976 3'29"46 5. Laban Rotich KEN 1969 3'30"13 6. Nourradine Morceli ALG 1970 3'30"23 7. John Kibowen KEN 1969 3'30"44 8. William Tanui KEN 1964 3'30"58 9. Steve Holman USA 1970 3'31"52 10. Robert Andersen DEN 1972 3'31"52

    1998
    1. Hicham El Gerrouji MAR 1974 3'26"00 2. Laban Rotich KEN 1969 3'29"91 3. John Kibowen KEN 1969 3'30"18 4. Noah Ngeny KEN 1978 3'30"34 5. Daniel Komen KEN 1976 3'30"49 6. Reyes Estevez ESP 1976 3'30"87 7. Isaac Viciosa ESP 1969 3'30"94 8. David Lelei KEN 1971 3'31"53 9. Driss Maazouzi FRA 1969 3'31"59 10. Sammy Rono KEN 1974 3'31"89

    1999
    1. Hicham El Gerrouji MAR 1974 3'27"65 2. Noah Ngeny KEN 1978 3'28"73 3. Bernard Lagat KEN 1974 3'30"56 4. Reyes Estevez ESP 1976 3'30"57 5. Rui Silva POR 1977 3'30"88 6. Nourradine Morceli ALG 1970 3'30"91 6. Ali Saidi-Sief ALG 1978 3'30"91 8. Fermin Cacho ESP 1969 3'31"34 9. Driss Maazouzi FRA 1969 3'31"51 10. Laban Rotich KEN 1969 3'31"60

    2000
    1. Hicham El Gerrouji MAR 1974 3'27"21 2. Noah Ngeny KEN 1978 3'28"12 3. Bernard Lagat KEN 1974 3'28"51 4. Bejamin Kipkurui KEN 1980 3'30"73 5. Ali Saidi-Sief ALG 1978 3'30"82 6. William Chirchir KEN 1978 3'31"02 7. José-Antonio Redolat ESP 1976 3'31"48 7. Andrés Diaz ESP 3'31"48 9. Kevin Sullivan CAN 1974 3'31"74 10. Driss Maazouzi FRA 1969 3'32"01

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    Mr. Dopkemboi Kipcheater

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    2 years ago 04/13/2022 5:16am EDT
    re: Coevett

    Coevett wrote:

    Why don't you attempt to answer the question? Why are Kenyans running so much slower over 1500m today than at the height of the EPO era? Why was there only two non African and non Hispanic runners in the top 17 in 2001 and yet 3 out of the top 5 in 2021 were white (non Hispanic) European if according to you and Rekrunner, at the height of the EPO era everybody was doping equally?

    Certainly, not all regions doped "equally". White dopers (we know from what countries they were) were almost invisible until 1997. However, there was a lot of doping in cycling.

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    Armstronglivs

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    2 years ago 04/13/2022 9:02am EDT
    re: rekrunner

    rekrunner wrote:

    No, I wouldn't be compelled by contortions -- try harder to come up with something tangible and specific.

    Doping is present in all sports at elite levels and in all countries (Ann Shirley). Ergo, it works. I await your contortions.

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    Armstronglivs

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    2 years ago 04/13/2022 9:04am EDT
    re: Heore

    Heore wrote:

    rekrunner wrote:

    No, I wouldn't be compelled by contortions -- try harder to come up with something tangible and specific.

    It is the fool who engages Armstrong in endless debates. He is not honest and will resort to childish insults due to his pedestrian mind.

    A fool speaks - or rather, the Chihuahua barks. Hi, liar soorer.

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    rekrunner

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    2 years ago 04/13/2022 9:44am EDT
    re: Armstronglivs

    Armstronglivs wrote:

    rekrunner wrote:

    No, I wouldn't be compelled by contortions -- try harder to come up with something tangible and specific.

    Doping is present in all sports at elite levels and in all countries (Ann Shirley). Ergo, it works. I await your contortions.

    I await something "tangible" and "specific".

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