Full Shelby Houlihan Report is Out from CAS

Harambe wrote:

jewbacca wrote:

Yes, it is 100% fair. This is really simple. She got caught with a

The burden on the athlete is close to impossible to meet? C'mon and use your brain. It's impossible to prove it got there naturally because it didn't.

As far as I can tell, none of the tests can accurately distinguish between contaminated meat and oral nandrolone or prohormone (that has the right IRMS values). It came down to the plausibility of Shelby's story.

It was spelled out right in the CAS ruling. Things can get less clear when dealing with wild boar, but not domestic. The testing can very easily, and in this case did, detect the difference between oral nandrolone and domestic pork.

Her defense 100% relied on the idea that wild boar somehow found its way into a food truck in Beaverton, Oregon. CAS laughed her out of court.

The CAS ruling mentions its right to consider probabilities. They determined, correctly, that the likelihood of Shelby doping was vastly more probable that her defense was valid. The testing proved an exogenous source of nandrolone, and she failed to provide a plausible way of how it got there.

jewbacca wrote:

sanootage wrote:

But is the victory fair. The burden on the athlete is close to impossible to meet.

An other non cheat convicted; how is this a victory?

Yes, it is 100% fair. This is really simple. She got caught with a

The burden on the athlete is close to impossible to meet? C'mon and use your brain. It's impossible to prove it got there naturally because it didn't.

Your logic is appalling.

Tautological my silly chum.

An other problem is the the tests are not accepted by WADA.

Fifth, the pork product that the Athlete allegedly ate is PORK STOMACH. Pork

stomach, for the purposes of human consumption, is stripped of the inner layer

with the consequence that only the outer muscle remains. Even if uncastrated

boars do have elevated androgen levels, those are not found in the muscle, but

only in specific parts (such as kidneys, testes or liver). Pork stomach, on the

contrary, has one of the lowest androgen levels.

Done and Done

sanootage wrote:

jewbacca wrote:

Yes, it is 100% fair. This is really simple. She got caught with a

The burden on the athlete is close to impossible to meet? C'mon and use your brain. It's impossible to prove it got there naturally because it didn't.

Your logic is appalling.

Tautological my silly chum.

Oh but it's so much more nuanced than that. You don't really need this spelled out again, do you? The CAS ruling is clear and explains everything perfectly. Dive in.

Problem is that sabotage is even harder to prove.

It always is. There is never charity inferring people's comments.

jewbacca wrote:

sanootage wrote:

Your logic is appalling.

Tautological my silly chum.

Oh but it's so much more nuanced than that. You don't really need this spelled out again, do you? The CAS ruling is clear and explains everything perfectly. Dive in.

All the ruling indicated was that the food excuse failed.

Given the burden she had to be found guilty.

It actually does not explain how it got there , does it?

"Prof Ayotte explains that nor-DHEA is a chemical/exogenous 19-NA prohormone which

is found in norsteroid products and, when used orally, produces pseudo-endogenous results

in urine analysis. According to her studies, the carbon isotopic signature of oral supplements of nandrolone precursors, such as nor-DHEA, possess a “pseudo-endogenous” carbon isotopic signature at -23‰ – similar to the one reported in the Athlete’s samples."

Also, know mention or disclosure of current supplements being taken by SH. You'd think if that helped you you would disclose that.....

sanootage wrote:

Problem is that sabotage is even harder to prove.

Is this really the next direction of the defense? Throw out enough sh!t and see what sticks, I guess.

It would be incredibly entertaining if Shelby turned on Schweitzer though.

shirtboy2021 wrote:

"Prof Ayotte explains that nor-DHEA is a chemical/exogenous 19-NA prohormone which

is found in norsteroid products and, when used orally, produces pseudo-endogenous results

in urine analysis. According to her studies, the carbon isotopic signature of oral supplements of nandrolone precursors, such as nor-DHEA, possess a “pseudo-endogenous” carbon isotopic signature at -23‰ – similar to the one reported in the Athlete’s samples."

Also, know mention or disclosure of current supplements being taken by SH. You'd think if that helped you you would disclose that.....

That’s why I don’t think it is supplements and is sabotage.

There's no sabotage Fanboy.

Here's the thesis if it wasn't obvious the first time: "The explanation pre-supposes a cascade of factual and scientific improbabilities, which means that its composite probability is (very) close to zero"

sanootage wrote:

All the ruling indicated was that the food excuse failed.

Given the burden she had to be found guilty.

It actually does not explain how it got there , does it?

Again, this is really simple. If I get caught with a dead body in my basement, it's on me to explain how it got there. Shelby's prosecutors don't have to explain how it got there. Shelby does.

tlbernhard wrote:

I agree that the reasons given as to how she had the drug in her system do not hold up to scrutiny. However, what does not make sense, as there was no evidence she was injecting it, is that she was taking it orally. A method which has no benefit for an athlete. Why would she do that?

1. Orally, it does have benefits .... Heals joints, muscles, connective tissue, increases bone density, increases hemoglobin, increases red blood cells.

2. Microdosing orally is practically fool-proof for drug testing.....the window for "glowing hot" is about 12-16 hours after ingesting then it's gone. (= SH ran into bad luck with timing.

SH was either so confident she could take without consequence was either:

1. Because she had done this often enough and had never gotten popped.

2. She was confident that USADA would be knocking and not the AIU, and that USADA would give her a courtesy call instead of just showing up.....and likely that this scenario had happened before.

Yes, self sabotage with supplements.

unbelief wrote:

So were the food truck owners interviewed or giving statements in this report? I didn’t see any. You got Shalane, Centro, Freirichs with a bunch of stuff completely aside from whether or not there was this fact pattern just ‘we do a tv show night’ ‘i wouldnt coach a doper’

probably good reason the good truck owner isnt in the report because theyd say ‘yeah, that wouldnt happen’ ‘heres what we serve, portion sizes, samples and heres where we get our meat from’. But all the other stuff is cute though

I find it really strange that elite athletes being tested regularly ate takeaway food from a roadside stall. Maybe its different in the US and its more the culture, but I know other athletes are really careful about what they ingest. Its also not that healthy but the major problem is that it could (and did) contain anything.

Its almost as if they were setting up an excuse in advance to use in case one of them tested positive...

It also makes me suspicious of anyone around that group of athletes.

Guess the people still defending her will eventually concede to her doping too. We've already gone from her accidentally ingesting the nandrolone to her being sabotaged. Only a small step from here to her knowingly ingesting the stuff.

Exactly! And that's why you see the term 'authentic' slathered on there (some people will eat anything, amiright?!)

That's for the ESPN 30 for 30 $$$