it's tricky...seems to be the 'hammer and the dance' model is the right one. Meaning when covid is low, then go to town. Party, dance, don't wear masks.
But when COVID surges, like now, you don't party. You don't go into small loud places and you wear masks.
Not sure what science you are looking at - I suspect studies can be found in both directions - that masks for kidz helps and doesn' help. And that's all tricky because you are sending teachers and staff into little petri dishes. You aren't protecting the kids with masks - they don't need protection - you are protecting the adults in the school.
In short...I don't see big lockdowns or forced behavior changes coming our way from gummint. But certainly government should encourage us to step back and be careful at times like this.
A CDC published study of some 90,000+ kids found “no statistical impact” in masking alone in reducing spread of Covid. Other studies have shown that masking kids, especially elementary aged, can have an adverse impact on their development.
Confidence in the vaccines should protect the adults in the school. We are at a point where it doesn’t make sense to force kids to wear masks, in my opinion. If the vaccine works, then teachers and staff are protected. Don’t hinder the development of our kids for a bit of security theatre.
yeah we could play dueling studies all day and night but requiring obese older adults to go hang out with unmasked kids in school during covid surges just seems to me not moral or practical.
here are two studies contradicting yours. Approved by the CDC.
We just don't know.
March 2022:
Schools that required students and staff to wear masks saw significantly less coronavirus spread than those that did not, a pair of brand-new studies reveal. One report, which was reviewed and approved by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, tracked cases in 98 percent of school districts in Arkansas from August to October 2021. It found that COVID-19 incidence was 23 percent lower in fully masked districts compared to districts with no face-covering rule. Introducing 16 Under 16 in STEM: We are looking for 16 of the most impressive students who are 16 years of age or younger who have shown extraordinary achievement in science, technology, engineering and math. Nominate a student here. The other study, published in the journal Pediatrics Tuesday morning by Duke University’s ABC Science Collaborative, crunched data from 61 districts across nine states during the Delta and early Omicron waves, finding that masked schools had 72 percent less within-school spread than mask-optional campuses. “The results of this study clearly show that universal masking reduces school transmission of COVID-19,” said Danny Benjamin, co-chair of the Collaborative, in a press release.
Schools that required students and staff to wear masks saw significantly less coronavirus spread than those that did not, a pair of brand-new studies reveal. One report, which was reviewed and approved by the Centers for Dise...
WASHINGTON - Former Trump adviser Steve Bannon Friday was found guilty of contempt of Congress, handing a victory to the Justice Department and the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. After about three hours of deliberation, the federal jury found Mr. Bannon unlawfully defied a subpoena issued by the Jan. 6 committee that sought testimony and documents. He will be sentenced at a later hearing and faces a minimum sentence of 30 days and a maximum of one year in prison for each count.
That was quick. The lesson is that jury nullification won't save Trump or his supporters.
yeah we could play dueling studies all day and night
Correct. This is the reason we have experts. Laymen are not equipped to read and understand the implications of individual studies or evaluate a body of research in a particular field.
yeah we could play dueling studies all day and night
Correct. This is the reason we have experts. Laymen are not equipped to read and understand the implications of individual studies or evaluate a body of research in a particular field.
But there isn’t much agreement even amongst experts. CDC recommends masking kids older than 2, which seems kind of extreme. World Health Organization advises against masks for kids under 6 and only selectively for kids under 11. So which expert do you go with? They’re at odds with each other.
it's tricky...seems to be the 'hammer and the dance' model is the right one. Meaning when covid is low, then go to town. Party, dance, don't wear masks.
But when COVID surges, like now, you don't party. You don't go into small loud places and you wear masks.
Not sure what science you are looking at - I suspect studies can be found in both directions - that masks for kidz helps and doesn' help. And that's all tricky because you are sending teachers and staff into little petri dishes. You aren't protecting the kids with masks - they don't need protection - you are protecting the adults in the school.
In short...I don't see big lockdowns or forced behavior changes coming our way from gummint. But certainly government should encourage us to step back and be careful at times like this.
The hammer and dance idea is basically get COVID cases to near-zero and keep them there. We (along with most western nations) were never capable of doing that, and have long since moved past that.
And good grief how are people still seriously suggesting masks on young children? A policy where blue states in the USA were a massive outlier globally. Any adult who wants protection can wear the N95s that were mailed out for free.
We find out next week if we have been in a recession and interesting that the adminstration is already trying to change the traditional definition of a recession (consecutive quarters of declines in the GDP) knowing how poorly that would make Biden et al. look.
The believers call you a tinofoil hat conspiracy theorist of you don't buy into the offical narrative.
Kind of ironic given that they wear face coverings and think it is saving them or others
I honestly don’t know if they actually believe the mask is helping at this point or if it’s just a habit. Ive had to be fit every year for the last 15 years for N95s and it took a while for me to find a proper fitting model. I highly doubt most people wearing an N95 are getting a proper seal.
I think that now clothe masks and surgical masks offer little protection as the size of the particulate has changed. There aren’t any N95 approved for children so I just don’t see the point in masking kids at school. Vaccines are widely available, even for school aged kids.
Correct. This is the reason we have experts. Laymen are not equipped to read and understand the implications of individual studies or evaluate a body of research in a particular field.
But there isn’t much agreement even amongst experts. CDC recommends masking kids older than 2, which seems kind of extreme. World Health Organization advises against masks for kids under 6 and only selectively for kids under 11. So which expert do you go with? They’re at odds with each other.
Yes, when experts disagree then it gets hard.
In that case, if I were a school administrator I would probably try to do what parents and teachers are most comfortable with.
We find out next week if we have been in a recession and interesting that the adminstration is already trying to change the traditional definition of a recession (consecutive quarters of declines in the GDP) knowing how poorly that would make Biden et al. look.
The Atlanta fed tracker shows we are, but that’s not the be all end all. Q1: negative 1.6%, Q2: negative 2.1%
We find out next week if we have been in a recession and interesting that the adminstration is already trying to change the traditional definition of a recession (consecutive quarters of declines in the GDP) knowing how poorly that would make Biden et al. look.
The Atlanta fed tracker shows we are, but that’s not the be all end all. Q1: negative 1.6%, Q2: negative 2.1%
A lot of forecasters are predicting a recession for Q4/2023Q1 but think one last spending binge might keep us out of one for now
it's tricky...seems to be the 'hammer and the dance' model is the right one. Meaning when covid is low, then go to town. Party, dance, don't wear masks.
But when COVID surges, like now, you don't party. You don't go into small loud places and you wear masks.
Not sure what science you are looking at - I suspect studies can be found in both directions - that masks for kidz helps and doesn' help. And that's all tricky because you are sending teachers and staff into little petri dishes. You aren't protecting the kids with masks - they don't need protection - you are protecting the adults in the school.
In short...I don't see big lockdowns or forced behavior changes coming our way from gummint. But certainly government should encourage us to step back and be careful at times like this.
The hammer and dance idea is basically get COVID cases to near-zero and keep them there. We (along with most western nations) were never capable of doing that, and have long since moved past that.
And good grief how are people still seriously suggesting masks on young children? A policy where blue states in the USA were a massive outlier globally. Any adult who wants protection can wear the N95s that were mailed out for free.
My understanding of 'hammer and dance' is that it's an accordion...relax rules when there is low covid, but acknowledge that when there is a covid surge, tighten the rules to restrict spread. So it is the opposite of covid zero. Instead. it's admitting that we will always have covid. The tricky part is getting people to play along when the screws get tightened. Human nature is to say 'well we're done with that...never going back again.'
As for masks on children, how can anyone want to do that? I cited studies above that found a significant decrease in covid transmission when you mask kids. I'm sure you can understand why that would cause many to put masks on kids.
Former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon on Wednesday reportedly lashed out at Hillary Clinton during a speech at a Republican fundraiser in Michigan, prompting chants of “lock her up” fr…
The hammer and dance idea is basically get COVID cases to near-zero and keep them there. We (along with most western nations) were never capable of doing that, and have long since moved past that.
And good grief how are people still seriously suggesting masks on young children? A policy where blue states in the USA were a massive outlier globally. Any adult who wants protection can wear the N95s that were mailed out for free.
My understanding of 'hammer and dance' is that it's an accordion...relax rules when there is low covid, but acknowledge that when there is a covid surge, tighten the rules to restrict spread. So it is the opposite of covid zero. Instead. it's admitting that we will always have covid. The tricky part is getting people to play along when the screws get tightened. Human nature is to say 'well we're done with that...never going back again.'
As for masks on children, how can anyone want to do that? I cited studies above that found a significant decrease in covid transmission when you mask kids. I'm sure you can understand why that would cause many to put masks on kids.
"Hammer and the dance" was basically a covid-zero, pre-vaccine idea. It's not a long-term plan. It was also suggested long before people knew how much seasonal patterns affect spread. I assume you're referring to this.
A Colorado man who had been charged in the presumed death of his missing wife has pleaded guilty to forgery for casting her 2020 election ballot for then-President Donald Trump. Barry Morphew pleaded guilty Thursday and was f...
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