Do you hear yourself? Saving millions of Japanese, by not invading them and killing them? Maybe you also save girls from rape by not raping them?
What exactly has Japan done to the US to deserve 200.000 killed civilians?
And also, what has Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria and Pakistan have done to the US to have almost 400.000 civilians killed by the US army?
Ukraine is peanuts compared to that, so don't act appalled, you must be very much used to seing dead civilians on TV.
It's right about time the US calls all of its military home and puts soldiers where they're supposed to be - in defensive service. Otherwise it's a lot of talk about Russia from people, who spend more of their budget on killing civilians abroad than Russia spends on food.
Japan probably killed 200,000 infants with bayonets between 1933 and 1945...
Japan absolutely deserved everything it got in WW2.
Your point on the other wars has validity. I just disagree strongly on Japan.
Yes, Japan was brutal, but what they got had nothing to do with infants, it was retribution for Pearl Harbor. The US has a nasty habbit of going to an enemy country and killing 1000-2000 times more civilians than that country has killed in the US.
400.000 in Japan for 2.400 in Pearl Harbor, 200.000 in Iraq for 3000 during 9/11. What did Iran and some other countries do to deserve the rampage that took place is still to be answered...
My stance is that war is wrong and what many countries are doing right now with sanctions is a good way to go. But EVERY war is wrong and hopefully, every country that sends its military to wars abroad will get sanctioned and have their war criminals prosecuted, including the US. I find it non-acceptable that Biden keeps talking about war crimes court for Putin, while the US doesn't even recognize the authority of international war crimes court in Hague which makes impossible to prosecute US citizens for war crimes.
Whenever I copy and paste an article that seems to contain data and ideas that are worth consideration, I get accused of plagiarizing and then you guys start talking about flat earth, moon landings, kool-aid drinking, etc.
Seems those most susceptible to the lies we are fed from the media and our pols are the people who operate on an emotional rather than intellectual basis
Please provide your definition of plagiarism.
You routinely post entire articles from other people without attribution or any indication it isn't your own words.
Who do you think is gonna vaporize Russia if they nuke Sweden or Finland? Neither are NATO members, just like Ukraine isn't.
I mean, I know they're not gonna do it, but even hypthetically speaking. NATO doesn't have to protect non-members.
Finland and Sweden are currently members of the EU, which Ukraine is not. The Treaty on the European Union has a mutual defense clause (47.2):
This clause provides that if an EU country is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other EU countries have an obligation to aid and assist it by all the means in their power...
So, a conventional (i.e., non nuclear) Russian attack on Finland tomorrow would still bring about a pretty severe response from EU nations. Once they join NATO it means an even stronger response, but it's not like Russia is free to attack either Finland or Sweden now without serious repercussions. Not to mention, the Russian military is already stretched thin... opening another 800 mile long front is probably not well-advised.
The 47.2 states "help and support", but does not specify if it has to be done through military means or anything else, which is for each country to decide themselves. Austria sent FFP2 masks to Ukraine to show support. If Russia was crazy enough to nuke Sweden and Finland, Ursula von der Leyen would call Biden first to find out what to do. So much for EU and its mutual defense.
Japan probably killed 200,000 infants with bayonets between 1933 and 1945...
Japan absolutely deserved everything it got in WW2.
Your point on the other wars has validity. I just disagree strongly on Japan.
Yes, Japan was brutal, but what they got had nothing to do with infants, it was retribution for Pearl Harbor. The US has a nasty habbit of going to an enemy country and killing 1000-2000 times more civilians than that country has killed in the US.
400.000 in Japan for 2.400 in Pearl Harbor, 200.000 in Iraq for 3000 during 9/11. What did Iran and some other countries do to deserve the rampage that took place is still to be answered...
My stance is that war is wrong and what many countries are doing right now with sanctions is a good way to go. But EVERY war is wrong and hopefully, every country that sends its military to wars abroad will get sanctioned and have their war criminals prosecuted, including the US. I find it non-acceptable that Biden keeps talking about war crimes court for Putin, while the US doesn't even recognize the authority of international war crimes court in Hague which makes impossible to prosecute US citizens for war crimes.
Japan killed over 20,000,000 Chinese alone.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The war was about much more than Pearl Harbor.
The US has been practicing liberal hegemony for decades. The naive think we can force countries to become democracies and then war will go away because Democracies do not go to war with each other. The evil are happy to profit endlessly off these wars.
Russia's grievances are completely legitimate with regard to NATO and Ukraine. Putin screwed the pooch thinking he could bully the west into giving him what he wants. He'll probably still get it in Ukraine but it will cost him tens of thousands of lives and it will stain Russia's reputation for a very long time.
Yes, this is - for the umpteenth time on this thread - the MAIN point: Don't scare your neighbors, and they won't band together in opposition to you. And when they do, we don't want to hear your whining.
But it's ALSO true that if we DID get really upset at Mexico for some POSSIBLE alliance, we wouldn't conduct a full-scale invasion of Mexico AND be shelling-to-rubble Mexican villages right now.
But yeah, the U.S. and Russia are the same.
My god, the dumb-assery.
Thank you. You're absolutely right - don't scare your neighbours. Once the Western sponsored coup with unidentified snipers on the roof shooting at both sides of protesters was finished in Ukraine and immediate and uncalled talks about NATO began, Russia felt threatened and decided to do something about it.
Don't be mistaken about the causality here.
Ukraine did just fine with Russia untill 2014. The US wants to sit in Sevastopol badly, so Russia decided to take it away before Ukraine gets a chance to join NATO.
Russia sits in Sevastopol because it invaded a sovereign neighbor. If the U.S./NATO ever "sits" there, it will be because a sovereign country was OK with it.
COMPLETELY different, whether you want to admit it, or not.
Yes, Japan was brutal, but what they got had nothing to do with infants, it was retribution for Pearl Harbor. The US has a nasty habbit of going to an enemy country and killing 1000-2000 times more civilians than that country has killed in the US.
400.000 in Japan for 2.400 in Pearl Harbor, 200.000 in Iraq for 3000 during 9/11. What did Iran and some other countries do to deserve the rampage that took place is still to be answered...
My stance is that war is wrong and what many countries are doing right now with sanctions is a good way to go. But EVERY war is wrong and hopefully, every country that sends its military to wars abroad will get sanctioned and have their war criminals prosecuted, including the US. I find it non-acceptable that Biden keeps talking about war crimes court for Putin, while the US doesn't even recognize the authority of international war crimes court in Hague which makes impossible to prosecute US citizens for war crimes.
Japan killed over 20,000,000 Chinese alone.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The war was about much more than Pearl Harbor.
The US has been practicing liberal hegemony for decades. The naive think we can force countries to become democracies and then war will go away because Democracies do not go to war with each other. The evil are happy to profit endlessly off these wars.
Russia's grievances are completely legitimate with regard to NATO and Ukraine. Putin screwed the pooch thinking he could bully the west into giving him what he wants. He'll probably still get it in Ukraine but it will cost him tens of thousands of lives and it will stain Russia's reputation for a very long time.
So the chinese should have done something about it then. Or did they ask the US to nuke Japan?
One thing I know about the US, it doesn't do anything for others, unless there is a carefully pre-calculated benefit as a result. The only reason the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki is retribution for Pearl Harbor and, more importantly, to demonstrate incredible military power and willingness to kill in hundreds of thousands if needed.
I'm sure every country in the world gained some fear and respect towards the US after that. It probably established the US as a leading military power of the world and legitimized involvement and policing in many military conflicts to come.
The US government could not give two s*its about Chinese children. It doesn't even care about their own, within its own borders, otherwise guns would be banned in order to stop school shootings.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The war was about much more than Pearl Harbor.
The US has been practicing liberal hegemony for decades. The naive think we can force countries to become democracies and then war will go away because Democracies do not go to war with each other. The evil are happy to profit endlessly off these wars.
Russia's grievances are completely legitimate with regard to NATO and Ukraine. Putin screwed the pooch thinking he could bully the west into giving him what he wants. He'll probably still get it in Ukraine but it will cost him tens of thousands of lives and it will stain Russia's reputation for a very long time.
So the chinese should have done something about it then. Or did they ask the US to nuke Japan?
One thing I know about the US, it doesn't do anything for others, unless there is a carefully pre-calculated benefit as a result. The only reason the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki is retribution for Pearl Harbor and, more importantly, to demonstrate incredible military power and willingness to kill in hundreds of thousands if needed.
I'm sure every country in the world gained some fear and respect towards the US after that. It probably established the US as a leading military power of the world and legitimized involvement and policing in many military conflicts to come.
The US government could not give two s*its about Chinese children. It doesn't even care about their own, within its own borders, otherwise guns would be banned in order to stop school shootings.
Oh, and continuing on the dumb equivalencies theme, I'm curious what the Cuban Missile Crisis VS Ukraine Invasion tally board is looking like?
On the one side (which included Russian nuclear missiles), you have the U.S. killing exactly ZERO Cuban service members or civilians.
And on the OTHER side (with no foreign nukes, and not even a protective membership in sight).....how many Ukrainians has Putin killed by now? And how many to come?
Almost seems like the situations and behavior might be a LOT different.
Google the Bay of Pigs Invasion, Operation Northwood and Operation Mongoose. Until then any discussion with you is pointless.
The only difference, the US is sneaky, secretive and caniving and Russia is primitive and brutal.
Your impressive argument: Bad actions on the part of any country renders it equivalent to much worse countries.
But hey, you're in good (or at least plentiful) company. Intellectually-dishonest arguments about the relative good/bad of various countries. So, so common.
Finland and Sweden are currently members of the EU, which Ukraine is not. The Treaty on the European Union has a mutual defense clause (47.2):
So, a conventional (i.e., non nuclear) Russian attack on Finland tomorrow would still bring about a pretty severe response from EU nations. Once they join NATO it means an even stronger response, but it's not like Russia is free to attack either Finland or Sweden now without serious repercussions. Not to mention, the Russian military is already stretched thin... opening another 800 mile long front is probably not well-advised.
The 47.2 states "help and support", but does not specify if it has to be done through military means or anything else, which is for each country to decide themselves. Austria sent FFP2 masks to Ukraine to show support. If Russia was crazy enough to nuke Sweden and Finland, Ursula von der Leyen would call Biden first to find out what to do. So much for EU and its mutual defense.
Ukraine is not in the EU. So, Austria was willing to send aid even when not obligated.
Every (English language) source I can find says Article 47.2: "If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory, the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power..." While you are correct that it doesn't say they have to send military aid in response (though if it's within their power, they may have an obligation to do so), I don't know if Russia wants to find out what "all means" means.
So the chinese should have done something about it then. Or did they ask the US to nuke Japan?
One thing I know about the US, it doesn't do anything for others, unless there is a carefully pre-calculated benefit as a result. The only reason the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki is retribution for Pearl Harbor and, more importantly, to demonstrate incredible military power and willingness to kill in hundreds of thousands if needed.
I'm sure every country in the world gained some fear and respect towards the US after that. It probably established the US as a leading military power of the world and legitimized involvement and policing in many military conflicts to come.
The US government could not give two s*its about Chinese children. It doesn't even care about their own, within its own borders, otherwise guns would be banned in order to stop school shootings.
US grovels to Israel. You must admit that
Just as soon as you admit that:
You don't know what plagiarize means.
That you can't explain how causality breaks down at the quantum level.
That Putin is a war criminal and should be tried for war crimes.
That Russian troops committed atrocities in and around Bucha and should be tried for war crimes.
That the world would be a much safer place if Russia was broken up into nice, bite-sized chunks.
Thank you. You're absolutely right - don't scare your neighbours. Once the Western sponsored coup with unidentified snipers on the roof shooting at both sides of protesters was finished in Ukraine and immediate and uncalled talks about NATO began, Russia felt threatened and decided to do something about it.
Don't be mistaken about the causality here.
Ukraine did just fine with Russia untill 2014. The US wants to sit in Sevastopol badly, so Russia decided to take it away before Ukraine gets a chance to join NATO.
Russia sits in Sevastopol because it invaded a sovereign neighbor. If the U.S./NATO ever "sits" there, it will be because a sovereign country was OK with it.
COMPLETELY different, whether you want to admit it, or not.
Or maybe because they built it and it belonged to them for 250 years. Before having Yanks there, just take it away from Ukraine.
You're under impression that Ukraine always wanted the US there. Until 2014 Russia and Ukraine were friends, until somebody in the opposition got paid massively and put in charge through a violent coup. Simply speaking, the US bought itself a nice shiny Ukrainian government, which invited them in and Putin decided not to have it.
It fascinates me how much strategically smarter the US is and that Russia is always at least one step behind. Their only hope now is to bond stronger with China and let Xi do the thinking for them.
If Russia was smart, they would start playing in the US manner and sponsor some coups in Cuba, Mexico, Venezuela and similar to give the US something else to worry about than Ukraine. Learn from the best, "how to win a country over": strike a deal with the opposition, finance their rise to power through a coup and have them invite you in as they fulfill their part of the deal.
I, of course, have never tried to pass these copy and pasted articles off as my own work.
That's part of the dishonest claims made by the scared of Covid, US good Russia bad, simpletons
If you post them under your name with no quotation marks or identification of the source/author, then they have to be assumed to being passed off as your work. They is no way to distinguish what you grab from others from sentences you write yourself.
Copying and pasting without indication that something was copied and pasted is a textbook example of plagiarism. That you don't understand that, or pretend to not understand that, is a clear signal that you aren't worth taking seriously.
That you can't explain how causality breaks down at the quantum level.
That Putin is a war criminal and should be tried for war crimes.
That Russian troops committed atrocities in and around Bucha and should be tried for war crimes.
That the world would be a much safer place if Russia was broken up into nice, bite-sized chunks.
That you're paid to post on LRC.
1. We have established that you were either being dishonest or actually don't understand what plagiarism is.
2. We have also established you have no understanding of the uncertainty principle. And that it has nothing to do with this topic
3. Putin may be war criminal. Hard to judge based in CIA propaganda. WE do know that Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden are all war criminals and mass murderers.
The US has been practicing liberal hegemony for decades. The naive think we can force countries to become democracies and then war will go away because Democracies do not go to war with each other. The evil are happy to profit endlessly off these wars.
The Iraq war supporter is back to lecture us about the evils of forced democracy. He refuses to acknowledge that the two true endless wars, started by republicans, were both ended by Democratic presidents, because the republican presidents that he voted for would not end them.
My God. Victoria Nuland admitted as much on live television. And then proceeded to state her fear Russia would get a hold of them; not something to be afraid of if not weapons labs.
You are citing all the attempts to put the horse back in the barn
. . .Do you think every university in the world with a biology department is making bioweapons?
You probably could have stopped with just the bolded text.
Google the Bay of Pigs Invasion, Operation Northwood and Operation Mongoose. Until then any discussion with you is pointless.
The only difference, the US is sneaky, secretive and caniving and Russia is primitive and brutal.
Your impressive argument: Bad actions on the part of any country renders it equivalent to much worse countries.
But hey, you're in good (or at least plentiful) company. Intellectually-dishonest arguments about the relative good/bad of various countries. So, so common.
But what the hell, let me lay it out for you:
U.S. morally superior to USSR.
U.S. morally superior to current Russia.
U.S. owns the Western media, that's all the difference. Russian people are convinced otherwise, since their media tells them the opposite of what your media tells you.
Rise above propaganda and what you have been taught and see that there is no truth, only a perspective. Your wars have been sold to you as military operations against terrorism. Russias war in Ukraine is being sold to Russians as a special military operation and denazification. And in reality, every war has been fought for the profits of super wealthy and been sold to citizens as something good and necessary. You either comfortably believe along with the majority or you don't and argue with those who do on some internet forum.
You have no idea what you're talking about. The war was about much more than Pearl Harbor.
The US has been practicing liberal hegemony for decades. The naive think we can force countries to become democracies and then war will go away because Democracies do not go to war with each other. The evil are happy to profit endlessly off these wars.
Russia's grievances are completely legitimate with regard to NATO and Ukraine. Putin screwed the pooch thinking he could bully the west into giving him what he wants. He'll probably still get it in Ukraine but it will cost him tens of thousands of lives and it will stain Russia's reputation for a very long time.
So the chinese should have done something about it then. Or did they ask the US to nuke Japan?
One thing I know about the US, it doesn't do anything for others, unless there is a carefully pre-calculated benefit as a result. The only reason the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki is retribution for Pearl Harbor and, more importantly, to demonstrate incredible military power and willingness to kill in hundreds of thousands if needed.
I'm sure every country in the world gained some fear and respect towards the US after that. It probably established the US as a leading military power of the world and legitimized involvement and policing in many military conflicts to come.
The US government could not give two s*its about Chinese children. It doesn't even care about their own, within its own borders, otherwise guns would be banned in order to stop school shootings.
The US killed more people firebombing Japanese cities than they killed in the atomic bombings....
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about with WW2.
The US became a global super power after WW2 because the war unlocked out manufacturing potential and we were the only developed nation on earth whose homeland was untouched by the war.
School shootings are caused by terrible parents not guns...
The US has been practicing liberal hegemony for decades. The naive think we can force countries to become democracies and then war will go away because Democracies do not go to war with each other. The evil are happy to profit endlessly off these wars.
The Iraq war supporter is back to lecture us about the evils of forced democracy. He refuses to acknowledge that the two true endless wars, started by republicans, were both ended by Democratic presidents, because the republican presidents that he voted for would not end them.
The difference is if a Democrat started the war you'd still be defending it...
The same corrupt military industrial complex you loathe when a Republican is in office is the SAME corrupt military industrial complex you cheer when a Democrat is in office. You're a fool.
