cause elon is saucing up his rockets with EPO, and we all know that EPO doesnt work so thats why he is failing...stop being mindweak Elon and try harder!
cause elon is saucing up his rockets with EPO, and we all know that EPO doesnt work so thats why he is failing...stop being mindweak Elon and try harder!
Pablo Novi wrote:
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-2/PLEASE scroll down this page about 1/3rd of the way, to the last photograph before the cut-away diagrams of how the Lunar Lander was filled with stuff. In that photo, we supposedly see the Lunar Lander (upper and lower parts).
PLEASE take a CLOSE LOOK at it.
The lower section looks like something constructed by grammar school kids (with the help of their parents, perhaps). The outside looks like it is made of gray-colored construction paper, cut UNEVENLY !, held together by "scotch tape".
The upper section looks not much better quality. We see what clearly look like white-colored construction paper-panels, that are clearly bent and warped and don't seem close to making a proper seal any panel with the surrounding panels.
At the right side of these white panels is a zipper-looking thingy - what the bleep is THAT doing there?
Imagine you are going to be one of three passengers on this thing, while traveling at 10s of thousands of miles per hour, up thru Earth's dense atmosphere, then thru the Van Allen Radiation Belts, then into outer space (filled with unshielded-by-Earth's magnetosphere Solar radiation0, then to Lunar orbit and landing (with a massive rocket blowing out extremely hot gases right below your a**es; Then spending a few days on the Lunar surface (when not out on the surface itself). All while being constantly bombarded with micro-meteorites AND during the SOLAR FLARE MAXIMUM (1969-1970).
I defy ANY OF YOU to swear that you'd risk your life for a half-million-mile trip in this CONTRAPTION!
PLEASE, look at it closely!!!
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Btw, to help locate this particular picture, it is preceded by the following paragraphs:
"While what is depicted in the images may initially appear, to the untrained eye, to be some kind of mock-up that someone cobbled together in their backyard to make fun of NASA, I can assure you that it is actually an extremely high-tech manned spacecraft capable of landing on the surface of the Moon. And incredibly enough, it was also capable of blasting off from the Moon and flying 69 miles back up into lunar orbit! Though not immediately apparent, it is actually a two-stage craft, the lower half (the part that looks like a tubular aluminum framework covered with Mylar and old Christmas wrapping paper) being the descent stage, and the upper half (the part that looks as though it was cobbled together from old air conditioning ductwork and is primarily held together, as can be seen in the close-up, with zippers and gold tape) being the ascent stage."
"The upper half, of course, is the more sophisticated portion, being capable of lifting off and flying with enough power to break free of the Moon’s gravity and reach lunar orbit. It also, of course, possessed sophisticated enough navigational capabilities for it to locate, literally out in the middle of fucking nowhere, the command module that it had to dock with in order to get the astronauts safely back to Earth. It also had to catch that command module, which was orbiting the Moon at a leisurely 4,000 miles per hour."
and followed by the following lines:
"But we’ll get to all that a little later. I think we can all agree for now that such a sleek, stylish, well-designed craft would have no problem flying with that kind of power, precision and stability."
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IF you care to, you might also inspect the cut-away diagrams of the (two-part) Lunar Lander Module. Not counting its 4 landling legs/pods, it is 8 feet across. In the upper part, IF YOU LOOK REALLY CLOSELY, you can find the "crew compartment". Three fully grown men had to spend days together in that tiny space (on both legs of the journey to/from the Moon. (They supposedly ate there, slept there, worked there and peed, farted and defecated there (right in front of each other seemingly).
To say nothing about the unimaginable body odor must have been in that capsule. 3 homeless guys in a small enclosure would be hell- yep, this pushes beyond the boundaries of reality.
Dang, how come I didn't think about the body odor problem! (I swear when you're not looking I'm gonna claim credit for pointing that out! lol).
Speaking (smelling?) of which ... while they were out on the Lunar surface for hours; each time "nature" called even for "gas relef"; did they have to go back into the Lunar Module? And did they really have enough spare oxygen, nitrogen and air pressure to replace all that was lost each time they opened the "hatch"?
Did none of them EVER have any problems with loose bowels / "accidents"? With all the excitement and pressure and tension and bumps, mightn't they have? What'd it be like inside a hermetically sealed space-suit?
Legit question wrote:
It may be hard for you to believe, but there are others who have read this thread and don't believe that we landed on the Moon. However, they are probably afraid to admit it.
Sadly, millions of people DO believe in faked lunar landings. However, Americans are pretty dumbed down when it comes to the space program - and that includes college graduates.
For example, a survey done several years revealed the majority of people don't even know what "NASA" stands for. The most common incorrect response was the "NORTH AMERICAN space AGENCY" ?. The majority of people can't name all three Apollo 11 astronauts (most only know of Armstrong, a few of "Buzz" and virtually no one has heard of Collins), and many believe ALL three astronauts stepped foot on the moon. Most people are clueless that Apollo 8 was the first mission to leave Earth orbit and actually orbit the moon 10 times (major milestone in the space program!).
And sadly, you be surprised how many people think LBJ was president when 11 landed on moon. ? Go ask H.S. & college students of these questions and you'll see for yourself how our young minds are also totally clueless these days . So when people are that dumbed down they'll believe any conspiracy theory about the lunar landings ?
I'm taking a page out of the Flagpole Handbook. There is no chance, 100% guarantee that no man has ever landed on the Moon. It NEVER happened and will NEVER happen. There will never be a Moonbase and there will never be a manned trip to Mars either. Only in science fiction, is it true.
MANNED LUNAR HIGH-JUMP?
Their muscles were just as big and strong, and though their PLSS back-packs doubled their weight, (compared to on Earth) they should have been able to jump THREE TIMES AS HIGH! Yet we never saw even a single instance - such a simple, easy demonstration would have tended to clinch the case - yet they did find the time to do this even once?
Defense contractor wrote:
The shuttle was also called the "orbiter" because that is what is was design to do, orbit the Earth.
Van Allen himself said it is possible to go thru the belts if time of exposure is limited. Apollo avoided most of the inner belt and passed thru the outer belt in a short time. This has been addressed already here in this thread.
LQ - the transmissions were not instantaneous. There is about a 2 second delay between mission control and the Astronauts. In some clips you can even hear MC then the echo of their transmission prior to the Astronauts voices. They delay is often not noticed. In some clips from documentaries it's been cleaned up to sound better.
+1
NASA, obviously never thought about the human waste problem when planning this hoax. No bathrooms, no storage for human waste in the capsule, did they use a pee & ass vacuum cleaner? It was never explained because there is no explanation.
When are these NASA believers going to wake up? Apollo is such a farce and full of holes.
"Flagpole Handbook"?
While I obviously strongly agree with you that man has not yet been to the Moon; but I disagree with you that this will never happen.
I picture a not-too-distant future when there's no capitalism and its scourges of: war, police states and poverty. Where/when we've quickly solved all our major problems (between / among humans; and vis-a-vis all life on this planet; and even protecting this planet from internal and especially external physical dangers). In that near-future, I can easily picture us sending a bunch of lead up into Low-Earth orbit (by rocket, or perhaps, by space elevator) and, robotically building a long-distance space vehicle coated in that lead. I don't see why THEN we couldn't boogie right on thru the Van Allen Belts, etc and get to some/any other heavenly body.
Science trumps conspiracy wrote:
Defense contractor wrote:
The shuttle was also called the "orbiter" because that is what is was design to do, orbit the Earth.
Van Allen himself said it is possible to go thru the belts if time of exposure is limited. Apollo avoided most of the inner belt and passed thru the outer belt in a short time. This has been addressed already here in this thread.
LQ - the transmissions were not instantaneous. There is about a 2 second delay between mission control and the Astronauts. In some clips you can even hear MC then the echo of their transmission prior to the Astronauts voices. They delay is often not noticed. In some clips from documentaries it's been cleaned up to sound better.
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Zero, point, zero. I answered that point already.
Legit question wrote:
NASA, obviously never thought about the human waste problem when planning this hoax. No bathrooms, no storage for human waste in the capsule, did they use a pee & ass vacuum cleaner? It was never explained because there is no explanation.
Actually it was explained. Read the book "Packing for Mars" by Mary Roach for a very detailed (and often gross in a funny way) explanation on how they did this and many other often-un-talked-about topics about space exploration. It's entertaining and a great read.
She's a great author - her other books are also really good reads ("Spook," "Stiff"). "Stiff" is my favorite. It's about what happens to people's bodies who donate them to science.
... I will also add that you seem to be a fairly uneducated guy, Legit. I'm not falling for your troll, so I will not participate - but reading your posts reveals your limited knowledge quite clearly. Pablo does a better job.
Why kill a this thread? IF we who call it the Moon Landing HOAX are wrong; what harm is done to potential/actual readers - nobody is forcing anybody to read this. IF we are right; then the majority who wrongly believe the US put men on the Moon - would start having more doubts as to that claim's authenticity - and start learning to question their own government - a hugely fine thing in my opinion.
Either way, "no harm no foul". Right?
In my opinion, for REAL democracy, NOTHING is more important vis-a-vis important issues, than is PUBLIC, OPEN DEBATE.
Flagpole is one of the most well known posters on LR. He makes extremely bold and 100% guarantee (political) promises but, after the 2016 presidential election his name became a verb. Love him or hate him, he is an entertaining personality. He is also known for defining what it takes to be a "real man". Look it up:)
BATTERIES OR FUEL CELLS?
Earlier somewhere in this thread, a poster tried to ridicule the claim about the weight and space needed for many batteries (and back ups) on the Apollo Missions. They claimed that batteries were not used but instead "fuel cells".
about 40% of the way down this page:
http://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie-2/
one can find two NASA cut-away diagrams of the Lunar Module (both upper and lower sections). Nowhere in those diagrams is there any reference to "fuel cells" though there is, on the bottom part only, mention of BATTERIES.
It would seem we have still another case of outright lying by a NASA supporter!
Btw, how come there are ZERO BATTERIES on the upper, ascent stage? That seems preposterous on the face off it.
Legit Moran wrote:
... I will also add that you seem to be a fairly uneducated guy, Legit. I'm not falling for your troll, so I will not participate - but reading your posts reveals your limited knowledge quite clearly. Pablo does a better job.
So, you can hear sound in a vacuum? That is not what physics tells us. I agree, Pablo does a much better job than me and he has moved the needle for many folks to the anti-NASA side.
LM,
Thanx for the compliment (if it really is one?).
What follows is me just joking around: Legit doesn't seem as uneducated as you seem to think he is. Perhaps a bit slow on the uptake compared to us "superior" beings; but, heck we can't all be superior, right?
Sorry LQ - there's just no fighting the (sometimes far-fetched) humor in me. In truth, you don't seem to me to be particularly smarter or dumber than I myself seem to me to be. lol
Pablo Novi wrote:
LM,
Thanx for the compliment (if it really is one?).
It's a compliment only in the sense that you are a much better troll than Legit, who is legitimately quite slow. However, it's still clear you are both trolling.
Enjoy the fun - I'm off for a run.
Pablo Novi wrote:
LM,
Thanx for the compliment (if it really is one?).
What follows is me just joking around: Legit doesn't seem as uneducated as you seem to think he is. Perhaps a bit slow on the uptake compared to us "superior" beings; but, heck we can't all be superior, right?
Sorry LQ - there's just no fighting the (sometimes far-fetched) humor in me. In truth, you don't seem to me to be particularly smarter or dumber than I myself seem to me to be. lol
No offense taken, we all should be able to laugh at ourselves. We don't have to agree on everything and that's ok with me.
There was no bathroom in the LM nor in the tiny capsule that landed in the ocean. Will check the diagrams and look into the other info provided from one of my detractors.
Unlike the opposition, I look at the info provided (even if counter) to my position. I can't say the same for the opposition, when you provide evidence for our side- they ignore it & make insults.
Legit question wrote:
To say nothing about the unimaginable body odor must have been in that capsule. 3 homeless guys in a small enclosure would be hell- yep, this pushes beyond the boundaries of reality.
I guess I could have never been an astronaut with my gas problem? ?
Does not wanting my kids to watch a bisexual threesome at the Olympics make me a bigot?
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