Alec Baldwin just shot and KILLED a woman on a movie set

jamb innn wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

It wasn't his gun. It was a stage prop that an assistant director assured him was "cold" i.e. safe. You are another moron.

"Wasn't his gun"

Great defense.

Baldwin owned the gun?

danube steak wrote:

ragingclue wrote:

there is supposed to be a licensed professional on set handling such weaponry and they clearly failed this time. This is not Alec Baldwin's fault.

It IS Baldwin's fault. Why the f7ck was he pointing a gun at another person???

Yeah - why were the Lone Ranger and Dirty Harry pointing guns at another person? Come to think of it - is there an American movie that doesn't have guns in it?

jamb innn wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

It wasn't his gun. It was a stage prop that an assistant director assured him was "cold" i.e. safe. You are another moron.

"Wasn't his gun"

Great defense.

Actually it is. It was an actor's stage prop that he was assured was harmless. You are quite the moron.

My neighbor just now handed me his gun and assured me it was unloaded and asked me to point it at his wife and pull the trigger to pretend that we were Baldwin and the murdered woman. I refused but it sounds like I would have been innocent had I killed her.

Armstronglivs wrote:

jamb innn wrote:

"Wasn't his gun"

Great defense.

Actually it is. It was an actor's stage prop that he was assured was harmless. You are quite the moron.

Both the Director, Actor, and Murderer.

Yep. He's clean nothing to see here.

I just watched a movie armorer on TV who said a prop gun cannot fire a round, the barrel is plugged. This had to be a real gun.

He also said every set has an armorer who keeps and prepares the guns to be used, before the scene is shot the armorer checks the gun, hands it to the assistant director who checks it also and then hands it to the actor who has had training and knows to never point it directly at someone while firing and that he must be at least 6 feet from the target.

Reports are that the bullet went through the lady and then struck the second victim.

jamb innn wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Actually it is. It was an actor's stage prop that he was assured was harmless. You are quite the moron.

Both the Director, Actor, and Murderer.

Yep. He's clean nothing to see here.

It seems a bullet may also have penetrated your cranium.

Armstronglivs wrote:

jamb innn wrote:

Both the Director, Actor, and Murderer.

Yep. He's clean nothing to see here.

It seems a bullet may also have penetrated your cranium.

Appreciate the insult but will break this down one last time:

Director? Yes

Actor? Yes

Shot someone with gun? Yes

Actually shot 2 people? Yes

Admitted to it via Twitter on same day? Yes

Yes. I checked the gun and that is what happens before actors fire at someone also. If they don't check it and someone dies, they are responsible. Baldwin is criminally guilty and the person who he relied upon is civilly responsible.

No everyone wrote:

Why not his fault? If I unload my gun and pull the trigger aiming at my kitchen wall in my house and accidentally shoot my wife through the wall in the dining room, I think it is my negligence for not having fully unloaded the gun and alsso for not checking that someone was in the line of where I aimed. Baldwin is guilty of both things also.

Not his fault because he is supposed to given a safe gun with blanks on a movie set. There are people responsible for ensuring the guns are safe for the scene. You ever see a scene in which there are ‘bullets’ in a revolver and the gun is pointed right at you (camera)?… there are people behind and beside the camera.

The actors are not responsible for loading and unloading real bullets for a gun. You think in all those movies with people shooting machines guns, they are checking the prop magazines to see if it’s loaded with blanks, fake bullets or whatever? You’ve never seen a movie in which a gun is pointed at a person and the person shoots the other person?… they are supposed to use blanks and squibs

Jon James is really stubborn wrote:

Yes. I checked the gun and that is what happens before actors fire at someone also. If they don't check it and someone dies, they are responsible. Baldwin is criminally guilty and the person who he relied upon is civilly responsible.

The only thing that is criminal here is your stupidity. A stage prop is not a weapon - especially when the actor is told it is safe. How many thousands of actors have used guns in their movies?

jamb innn wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

It seems a bullet may also have penetrated your cranium.

Appreciate the insult but will break this down one last time:

Director? Yes

Actor? Yes

Shot someone with gun? Yes

Actually shot 2 people? Yes

Admitted to it via Twitter on same day? Yes

Stage prop that the entire set was told was safe. Hence, absence of intent - which is necessary to any criminal charge. When the bullet was discharged it passed through the deceased into another person - a function of ballistics. Baldwin intended to kill or wound neither since he was told the gun was "cold" - safe. Add ignorance to your stupidity. If there is culpability it is in the negligence of those who ran the set to ensure the gun was harmless. That would need to be proven - but the responsibility was not the actor's.