Full Shelby Houlihan Report is Out from CAS

in Texas they settle it differently my friend

I think it all went bad for Shelby once the tatoos became too large and too weird. She should have blamed her tattoo artist for using bad or tainted ink.

Sorry to say, but everyone at BTC is suspect including Courtney Frerichs.

So were the food truck owners interviewed or giving statements in this report? I didn’t see any. You got Shalane, Centro, Freirichs with a bunch of stuff completely aside from whether or not there was this fact pattern just ‘we do a tv show night’ ‘i wouldnt coach a doper’

probably good reason the good truck owner isnt in the report because theyd say ‘yeah, that wouldnt happen’ ‘heres what we serve, portion sizes, samples and heres where we get our meat from’. But all the other stuff is cute though

And even faster than she was before, a la Gatlin.

Imagine if she was Sha’Carri Houlihan

ppl would just nod and go ‘well obviously’

These are the most important new things to me.

1. They actually do know who she got a burrito from, and that person had just pork stomach on the menu.

2. The pork in question came from Tyson, which does not have any wild boar. It was estimated that fewer than 1/10,000 male pigs processed are cryptorchid and could be the cause of nandrolone.

3. Even if she ordered beef and got pork stomach and that pork was was cryptorchid, the stomach portion that is sold by Tyson and others is not a complete stomach. It's mostly just the outer muscle, which would be the lowest concentration of steroids.

4. Even if none of the above, she's quite a bit higher than the max nandrolone levels reported, even from much higher levels of meat consumption.

5. Her androgen levels were high, and cryptorchid <6 month old pigs would not result in that.

6. The carbon isotope ratio of the nandrolone is completely inconsistent with pigs from the united states.

7. They acknowledge that she probably didn't inject nandrolone, but it seems that the conclusion is that she most likely bought a 19-nor-dhea product. Her experts tried to claim that that's hard to get and nobody uses it, but the lab director bought it from Amazon in 2016 to test in the lab, so that claim is absurd.

8. They never actually asked in the polygraph is she took any other steroids or other PEDs. The pork story is complete garbage, but I do agree that nandrolone is a bad drug to take based on reasons laid out by her expert testimony. I think it was crafty that they only asked her about nandrolone. If she took something similar with identical metabolite, she can truthfully answer no re nandrolone and pass (not that these tests are very useful anyway).

Anyone believing her is an idiot.

Stop already. Stop with the contortions. There is no "who's to say" here!!!! It's all there. It's very obvious that she got busted doping.

sanootage wrote:

I don’t accept she cheated, no one in their right mind would go near Nandrolone; this is not 25 years ago.

How would someone know to avoid Nandrolone if they had never heard of it before, per Shelby and her coach. To me, this is one of the damning things in the whole story.

this is why ppl do so much media because when you get in trouble you can rely on image and perception to get way more than a benefit of the doubt and ride that S into your next gig.

The fun loving, clean image insulates you and your crew from a lot of scrutiny and noise from the street you might get otherwise

2) The food truck of course says they got their meat from a legit supplier. That adds basically no new information

3) Nobody's tested stomach meat for steroids so we are just operating on assumptions. If it's higher than normal meat -at all- then her urine levels are entirely plausible with consumption

4) meat consumption - not organ consumption - see point 3

6) It really depends what the pigs were being fed. Any soy in their diet and the IRMS values aren't crazy -- that's in the document

7) It's shame if she was actually taking a pro-hormone of nandrolone. They don't work and they spike your urine levels massively for a few days. Such a terrible decision.

8) Polygraphs are literal fantasy and I can't believe that test was even included at all.

I'm not sure the CAS document provided any more clarity than before, IMO.

Shelburrito. wrote:

sanootage wrote:

The ruling did not deal with sabotage; so who has the ludicrous brain?

I don’t accept her defence.

I don’t accept she cheated, no one in their right mind would go near Nandrolone; this is not 25 years ago.

May be contaminated supplements.

Sabotage could be caused by a whole range of non monetary reasons.

Either way no definitive proof of cheating.

Lol. No one would do a homologous blood transfusion. It has been detectable since 2004. YET ….. not one but two busts for it this Olympics.

Were the busts in non sophisticated nations in terms of up to date doping knowledge?

And how detectable ; do you actually know ?

sanootage wrote:

jewbacca wrote:

I read the report. I know a bit about the science behind the testing. CAS literally laughed her out of court. This is a huge win for anti-doping.

But is the victory fair. The burden on the athlete is close to impossible to meet.

An other non cheat convicted; how is this a victory?

Yes, it is 100% fair. This is really simple. She got caught with a

The burden on the athlete is close to impossible to meet? C'mon and use your brain. It's impossible to prove it got there naturally because it didn't.

foot stool wrote:

Harambe wrote:

There is a lot of variability in NA/NE excretions after eating boar in the literature. 2-3x, at the low levels discussed, is not implausible for an elite athlete with low body weight.

Taking a prohormone would make your urine levels SPIKE to like.. 200x what she tested. It would have been terribly coincidental to test her at exactly the time in her excretion profile when her concentrations were pretty consistent with contamination.

That said, her story relies on a lot of other coincidences happening as well.... so who's to say.

Stop already. Stop with the contortions. There is no "who's to say" here!!!! It's all there. It's very obvious that she got busted doping.

I am fine with the CAS decision. I think the protocol for nandrolone testing is obviously murky, ill-defined, and barely quantitative. This case highlights the need for an overhaul of the protocol IMO.

Nothing I said was a contortion. Unless Shelby was VERY dumb or placed trust in someone VERY dumb there is obviously more to the story or a set of terrible coincidences.

If you don't want to discuss the details you are welcome to avoid the thread?

jewbacca wrote:

sanootage wrote:

But is the victory fair. The burden on the athlete is close to impossible to meet.

An other non cheat convicted; how is this a victory?

Yes, it is 100% fair. This is really simple. She got caught with a

The burden on the athlete is close to impossible to meet? C'mon and use your brain. It's impossible to prove it got there naturally because it didn't.

As far as I can tell, none of the tests can accurately distinguish between contaminated meat and oral nandrolone or prohormone (that has the right IRMS values). It came down to the plausibility of Shelby's story.

Hmm that's weird, my sentence got cut off. Sentence should read:

She got caught with a banned substance in her system and has no valid excuse for it to be there.

idk how to say that she cheated without just saying it. She cheated. I'm sorry that that sucks for all of you. I'm sorry that it means she let down so many people who believed her. At best she took a supplement that unknowingly had nandrolone. at worst, she cheated.

She could have hid this from everyone, or they knew and were in on the heist. It's easy to hide things from people, even people close to you.

But her story is not adding up, and it's the only story she had. But reading some of the posts that are saying "just because she was busted doesn't mean that she cheated" is absolutely wild levels of mental gymnastics at this point.

tell the truth wrote:

sanootage wrote:

I don’t accept she cheated, no one in their right mind would go near Nandrolone; this is not 25 years ago.

How would someone know to avoid Nandrolone if they had never heard of it before, per Shelby and her coach. To me, this is one of the damning things in the whole story.

If she was cheating with N then she would say she never heard of it exactly as she would say she never heard of it if she had not cheated.

I would add that they may well be able to detect grand daughter metabolites and thus a cheat with any brain would stay a million miles away from it.

Most prob would think about the S23 the Uk sprinter got done for.

Strict liability catches non cheats . No gym work there thick one.