"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

2600 bro wrote:

Scary Stuff!!! wrote:

No, I did not miss your point, it was just not correct. The final fractions make little to no difference. I am sure 10-15% better would make a little difference, but far less than 40 to 55% or 25 to 40%. At this point I would guess the older population vaccination rates are very high in the US. I know the deaths are still predominantly older people who did not get vaccinated. This is dumb but it is what it is. Getting more and more younger people, or god forbid needing to vaccinate kids, is not going to provide substantial gains. I don't know where you are getting your data that claims the last few little bits matter more, that is just not conventional scientific thought. So this is strange considering you are trying to sound like an expert.

That said, the data is there, the US had much higher overall restrictions. Places like Denmark that you mentioned rarely even had mask restrictions; I believe they mostly had tough rules on large gatherings like concerts and bars for a brief period. Maybe you live in Texas, but most places in the US had and continue to have mask mandates, closed schools, went to remote schooling, closed or very limited restaurants, masks outside and in parks, and are now of all times considering vaccine mandates when nearly 60% of the population is vaccinated. The USA has one of the highest rates in the world yet they are unable to say, "good enough". I think that is odd while many places they were much less restrictive both fared better and are now ready to say "good enough" and recognize that collateral losses associated with not letting go of the last little bit will be much greater than the gains.

You can believe what you want, but I think I am more likely to be right in this case and I think these nations doing so are smart and will probably turn the tide for other more resistant nations. Again, it is time to say, "good enough" and move on.

I think this video best sums up where the nation is at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxLhytQ67fs

You might want to consider moving on yourself.

I dont understand why you just keep saying things you wish were true:

Denmark closed ALL bars and restaurants for OVER 4 months this year. No where. I mean NO WHERE in the US did that. Even California only quit indoor dining for ~6-8 weeks in the winter and still allowed outdoor dining!

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/cafes-open-denmark-covid-19-restrictions-loosen-2021-04-21/

To the other point:

You really do not understand how exponential functions work, but you can bury than in 3 paragraphs of BS so...

whatever, if you are moving on I will get back to the topic at hand.

Scary Stuff!!! wrote:

This is weird, people provide data and you claim the data is wrong and then make up your own. No, no, Denmark was not more restricted. Maybe at very brief times but that is all. It is funny you consider a couple (it was maybe 2) of months of bar restrictions more important than 1.5 years in many places and schools nearly shuttered for over a year in many places. I am sorry, but your anecdotes are just wrong, and oddly you demand data but do not provide any of your own. Maybe this is just some sort of troll tactic or you are just crazy.

I understand exponential functions just fine. The s-shaped curve of gains is not an exponential function really and it tapers hard....the gains at this point are minimal to none. Forcing more vaccinations is just some sort of politics game at this point. If you can't understand this but sling around terms to sound intelligent then I think you are a lost cause. It seems you write here a lot, a whole lot. Maybe you might want to consider some mental help? I don't know, but I do know that I am right in this case, both on (1) diminishing returns and (2) and the USA being more restrictive than the places you are mentioning (Denmark). You can try to insult the facts, but they won't change, I promise you. In this case, you are just very very wrong. I think I am good on discussing this with you because I can tell you are going to just keep fighting until I give up.

So, we will just agree that you are wrong and call it a day on this. Ok. Good, I am glad you finally admit you are wrong.

2600 bro wrote:

Scary Stuff!!! wrote:

This is weird, people provide data and you claim the data is wrong and then make up your own. No, no, Denmark was not more restricted. Maybe at very brief times but that is all. It is funny you consider a couple (it was maybe 2) of months of bar restrictions more important than 1.5 years in many places and schools nearly shuttered for over a year in many places. I am sorry, but your anecdotes are just wrong, and oddly you demand data but do not provide any of your own. Maybe this is just some sort of troll tactic or you are just crazy.

I understand exponential functions just fine. The s-shaped curve of gains is not an exponential function really and it tapers hard....the gains at this point are minimal to none. Forcing more vaccinations is just some sort of politics game at this point. If you can't understand this but sling around terms to sound intelligent then I think you are a lost cause. It seems you write here a lot, a whole lot. Maybe you might want to consider some mental help? I don't know, but I do know that I am right in this case, both on (1) diminishing returns and (2) and the USA being more restrictive than the places you are mentioning (Denmark). You can try to insult the facts, but they won't change, I promise you. In this case, you are just very very wrong. I think I am good on discussing this with you because I can tell you are going to just keep fighting until I give up.

So, we will just agree that you are wrong and call it a day on this. Ok. Good, I am glad you finally admit you are wrong.

Sigh not everything that is non-linear is "diminishing returns." If you can't understand how crossing the threshold where R_t < 1 is the key to stopping the pandemic with herd immunity... then idk what to say! Vaccinating 0-20% does virtually nothing to prevent the spread (we still had a massive winter wave last year even though 20% had caught the virus already) whereas 70-90% is likely enough to stop propagation (R_t < 1) and end the pandemic.

I am confused about your Denmark assertions! I enjoy the Our World in Data stringency index but the markers they integrated are heavily weighted by school closures and travel bans. I show you Denmark had bars and restaurants closed for 4 months last winter and you just dismiss it! I am open to discussion about this. The US did very stupid things. I agree. But to claim mainland Europe was just a free-for-all is very disingenuous. Especially Japan which has virtually closed their borders except with 14 day hardcore quarantine. Each measure is different and each impacts various facets of society differently.

I'd like to get back on track and ask again how Denmark at 80% vaccinated ending restrictions does anything to dispel the notion this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated?"

Scary Stuff!!! wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Sigh not everything that is non-linear is "diminishing returns." If you can't understand how crossing the threshold where R_t < 1 is the key to stopping the pandemic with herd immunity... then idk what to say! Vaccinating 0-20% does virtually nothing to prevent the spread (we still had a massive winter wave last year even though 20% had caught the virus already) whereas 70-90% is likely enough to stop propagation (R_t < 1) and end the pandemic.

I am confused about your Denmark assertions! I enjoy the Our World in Data stringency index but the markers they integrated are heavily weighted by school closures and travel bans. I show you Denmark had bars and restaurants closed for 4 months last winter and you just dismiss it! I am open to discussion about this. The US did very stupid things. I agree. But to claim mainland Europe was just a free-for-all is very disingenuous. Especially Japan which has virtually closed their borders except with 14 day hardcore quarantine. Each measure is different and each impacts various facets of society differently.

I'd like to get back on track and ask again how Denmark at 80% vaccinated ending restrictions does anything to dispel the notion this is a "pandemic of the unvaccinated?"

It is a pandemic of unvaccinated elderly people. I agree, but you cannot convince those people to get vaccinated so why bother. Forcing younger people to get vaccinated or lose their careers will not change this. The same old people will keep dying because you cannot force them to change. At this point the best thing to do is move on and let it go.

Noyankee wrote:

The bottom line is that in paces where we have extreme case study material and data, like in Australia, Israel, India and others, the vaccinated people are clearly the ones spreading this virus and crafting variances.

The vaccinated are speaking mythology as all of the data that they believe benefits them is in small numbers.

Healthy, low risk people have virtually no chance of being hospitalized and believing unvaxxed people are spreading this is contrary to the big data numbers like, as vaccination rates go up, so do positive cases.

It’s really pretty simple but people with this addiction in their bloodstream need us to be on the death train with them because they know they are traveling with the unknown. They are selfish but they made their choice. They can live with it.

This pandemic is spread by the vaccinated, and the low risk group has virtually nothing to be concerned with. Don’t create a concern by injecting the unknown, unproven, science led by lies concoction.

Karma Police wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

The bottom line is that in paces where we have extreme case study material and data, like in Australia, Israel, India and others, the vaccinated people are clearly the ones spreading this virus and crafting variances.

The vaccinated are speaking mythology as all of the data that they believe benefits them is in small numbers.

Healthy, low risk people have virtually no chance of being hospitalized and believing unvaxxed people are spreading this is contrary to the big data numbers like, as vaccination rates go up, so do positive cases.

It’s really pretty simple but people with this addiction in their bloodstream need us to be on the death train with them because they know they are traveling with the unknown. They are selfish but they made their choice. They can live with it.

This pandemic is spread by the vaccinated, and the low risk group has virtually nothing to be concerned with. Don’t create a concern by injecting the unknown, unproven, science led by lies concoction.

Can you not speak for me or my country please and spreading misinformation?

I am from Australia and this is not correct. Healthy younger people are being hospitalised - including someone in my team at work.

For the daily case numbers in Australia - no data has been published as to how many of the positive cases (symptomatic or not) are vaccinated or not. If I can't get this info, then you are speaking through your you know what. I would love to know the answer, and I can assure you you do not know this.

Speaking from my country - millions of people have had the Pfizer vax (Moderna just coming out), with no serious side effect. The vaccines go through our Govt scrutiny, which is tough. The Govt and pharma companies are usually at loggerheads.

Basically, everything you have said is complete rubbish.

If you are typical of the anti-vaxxers, the lot of you are dangerous. Ill-educated and pushing agendas. It's just garbage you're spouting. And I am calling you out directly.

Karma Police wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

The bottom line is that in paces where we have extreme case study material and data, like in Australia, Israel, India and others, the vaccinated people are clearly the ones spreading this virus and crafting variances.

The vaccinated are speaking mythology as all of the data that they believe benefits them is in small numbers.

Healthy, low risk people have virtually no chance of being hospitalized and believing unvaxxed people are spreading this is contrary to the big data numbers like, as vaccination rates go up, so do positive cases.

It’s really pretty simple but people with this addiction in their bloodstream need us to be on the death train with them because they know they are traveling with the unknown. They are selfish but they made their choice. They can live with it.

This pandemic is spread by the vaccinated, and the low risk group has virtually nothing to be concerned with. Don’t create a concern by injecting the unknown, unproven, science led by lies concoction.

Can you not speak for me or my country please and spreading misinformation?

I am from Australia and this is not correct. Healthy younger people are being hospitalised - including someone in my team at work.

For the daily case numbers in Australia - no data has been published as to how many of the positive cases (symptomatic or not) are vaccinated or not. If I can't get this info, then you are speaking through your you know what. I would love to know the answer, and I can assure you you do not know this.

Speaking from my country - millions of people have had the Pfizer vax (Moderna just coming out), with no serious side effect. The vaccines go through our Govt scrutiny, which is tough. The Govt and pharma companies are usually at loggerheads.

Basically, everything you have said is complete rubbish.

If you are typical of the anti-vaxxers, the lot of you are dangerous. Ill-educated and pushing agendas. It's just garbage you're spouting. And I am calling you out directly.

Maybe...... wrote:

Karma Police wrote:

Can you not speak for me or my country please and spreading misinformation?

I am from Australia and this is not correct. Healthy younger people are being hospitalised - including someone in my team at work.

For the daily case numbers in Australia - no data has been published as to how many of the positive cases (symptomatic or not) are vaccinated or not. If I can't get this info, then you are speaking through your you know what. I would love to know the answer, and I can assure you you do not know this.

Speaking from my country - millions of people have had the Pfizer vax (Moderna just coming out), with no serious side effect. The vaccines go through our Govt scrutiny, which is tough. The Govt and pharma companies are usually at loggerheads.

Basically, everything you have said is complete rubbish.

If you are typical of the anti-vaxxers, the lot of you are dangerous. Ill-educated and pushing agendas. It's just garbage you're spouting. And I am calling you out directly.

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Noyankee wrote:

Karma Police wrote:

Can you not speak for me or my country please and spreading misinformation?

I am from Australia and this is not correct. Healthy younger people are being hospitalised - including someone in my team at work.

For the daily case numbers in Australia - no data has been published as to how many of the positive cases (symptomatic or not) are vaccinated or not. If I can't get this info, then you are speaking through your you know what. I would love to know the answer, and I can assure you you do not know this.

Speaking from my country - millions of people have had the Pfizer vax (Moderna just coming out), with no serious side effect. The vaccines go through our Govt scrutiny, which is tough. The Govt and pharma companies are usually at loggerheads.

Basically, everything you have said is complete rubbish.

If you are typical of the anti-vaxxers, the lot of you are dangerous. Ill-educated and pushing agendas. It's just garbage you're spouting. And I am calling you out directly.

You lie to protect your thirst. Nothing I said is rubbish. If you think things are going swimmingly in Australia then you are out of touch with reality.

If you think as vaxxed go up, cars are going down then you are out of touch with reality.

If you think in India, where there is a low vax rate, that cases are exploding then you are out of touch with reality.

I could go on and on but you are nothing but a fool looking to lie like the others to protect your nonsense belief that this vaccine, which it is clearly not, works.

People in Australia, are proudly fighting for their rights while ignorant folks like you are gunning for them because you have that crap in your system and you are now addicted to it and don’t want to party alone.

I will speak about whatever I want to speak about, whenever I want to speak about it, and wherever I wish to do so.

You lie like the others.