"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Harambe wrote:

DanM wrote:

82% in Singapore.

STAY HOME and read all about it !

Not one mention of the miniscule death rates in Singapore.

Exhibit A of the gaslighting to try and convince the non-morons that the vaccine is secretly failing everywhere. Borderline insane.

It’s also a suggestion for 60+ only. DanM is actually losing it.

Scary Stuff!!! wrote:

Harambe wrote:

See thread:

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1428785670110150657

"So, the vast majority of transmissions are unvaxxed."

And so what? It does not matter anymore. The best countries who did much less than the US in the first place and fared much better than the US are just calling it good and moving on. Will the "intelligent" people in the USA ever be smart enough to make this same move. I hope so.

https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2021/sep/10/denmark-lifts-all-covid-restrictions-as-vaccinations-top-80-per-centhttps://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/norway-end-coronavirus-related-restrictions-saturday-2021-09-24/https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-sports-lifestyle-business-2020-tokyo-olympics-9ac68d89a4124116a0a8d6cfc5e48eb7

There is no significant point in vaccinating more people. Law of diminishing returns rules. It is time to just let it all go.

This is satire right?

Right there it says Denmark has 80% vaccinated.

“Did much less than the US”

You should look up what Norway and Japan have done for the past 18 months.

Keep enjoying contrarian fantasy land.

And again, your post has nothing to do with the fact the US has a massive COVID-19 outbreak driven by unvaccinated people.

Self-own that you link to countries with better vaccination efforts by 10-20% able to live life normally and then cite law of diminishing returns. You really don’t get it.

2600 bro wrote:

This is satire right?

Bla bla bla. No vaccine is going to rob me off my authenticity!!!

Appears that Canada now wants 99%+ vaccinated (what happened to 70% herd immunity--blatant lie) by forcing a vaccine passports system. This is in line with the utmost strictest measures in the US, Australia, New Zealand, Britain. But the catch is that their vaccinated status will only last for 6 months at a time and they'll be required another double booster shot to update their status to current.

How convenient for big pharma, send out vaccines that don't work too well so you can now coerce people into getting doubled vaccinated every 6 months. No wonder they're making hundreds of millions of dollars per day from a lab created virus. Congrats big pharma, you've got a great scheme!

My goodness you are a cry baby. Denmark is 75%, Noraway 68%, Japan 57%, USA 56%. The USA is not that far off and is a much bigger country. None of these countries are vaccinating their younger age brackets either. They are smarter than you and they know when to quit. The restriction in places like Japan and Denmark have really not been that great over the past 1.5 years either. The USA is has overall been far more stringent with their policies. I am not sure where you are getting your facts, but you sound like someone who likes to make things up. Am I wrong?

Scary Stuff!!! wrote:

My goodness you are a cry baby. Denmark is 75%, Noraway 68%, Japan 57%, USA 56%. The USA is not that far off and is a much bigger country. None of these countries are vaccinating their younger age brackets either. They are smarter than you and they know when to quit. The restriction in places like Japan and Denmark have really not been that great over the past 1.5 years either. The USA is has overall been far more stringent with their policies. I am not sure where you are getting your facts, but you sound like someone who likes to make things up. Am I wrong?

Say "I don't undestand non-linear systems" without saying "I don't undestand non-linear systems"

There is a massive difference between 75% and 56%.

Also you cannot just "they had no restrictions without providing evidence"

Here's a summary of Denmark who has had restrictions since March 10, 2020:

Back on March 10, 2020, Denmark classified Covid-19 as an illness that posed a critical threat to society. This gave the government power to introduce severe restrictions on everyday life. Schools, kindergartens, universities and many public buildings were closed.

The restrictions have been in place since then, although many restrictions have been lifted in recent months. Today, a valid coronavirus certificate (proof of vaccination or a negative test) is required to enter many restaurants, attend soccer games or visit fitness centers.

Japan has had insanely thorough quarantine-on-entry and after contact tracing for over a year.

Norway has had restrictions in place since March 2020 as well.

The USA has had effectively zero quarantine or contact tracing policies and minimal restrictions they entire time AND low vax rates.

I am unsure what you are compaining about.

More vaxxed countries lifting restrictions the US never had...

"The USA is not that far off." "The USA is has [Sic!] been far [!] more stringent...": Slippery little statements like this make a big difference--between objective and subjective reasoning.

The Unkle wrote:

Why listen to an eye doctor and not the majority of infectious disease MDs?

“So, the vast majority of transmissions are unvaxxed."[

This, of course, is an assumption. Which is your MO.

What we do know with absolute certainty is that virtually everyone hospitalized, vaxxed or unvaxxed, is in the low risk group. It’s about 10,000,000 to 1.

They closed schools in these places for about a month; this article is from April 2020, they were already reopening schools then:

It seem like you like to pick and choose your own adventure here. On stringency index, all of these nations were on average well below the USA throughout the whole pandemic. I do not think you understand what you are talking about. I think you are just trying hard to sound right. That is an odd behavior. And no, these things are not linear, and in that the gains between 56 or 57 % are not much different than that between 56 and 68%; as you say, it is not linear. I think you are trying to squeeze the oil of the orange rather than be happy with just the juice.

You aren’t find me disagreeing that schools in the US were closed for way way too long.

Denmark did close schools again in winter 2021.

Denmark had 4X fewer deaths per capita than the US. Maybe that plays into their decision making?

I am still stuck on you claiming restrictions were tighter in US than many European places. I am unsure where you lived exactly but retail never closed in the US, only large gatherings were really restricted. Whereas in many European cities you had to have papers to even leave your house!

Aside from the schools closing for a year - a massive failure of US resource management and planning - the US had much much lighter restrictions than most European countries.

I hope Harambe and 2600 are happy now. The twisted and diabolical stance of them and those aligned with them have caused mayhem and chaos that is rapidly advancing toward danger:

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ER wait times grow as staffing shortages strain area hospitals

Officials say the state's vaccine mandate is compounding the shortages at a critical time

2021-09-30 19:42:00 EDT

Sick and injured patients across the Capital Region and Hudson Valley are waiting hours to be seen in emergency rooms as a growing shortage of health care workers around the state has forced some hospitals to hold incoming ambulances in bays for hours or turn them away altogether.

Hospital leaders say the situation has not yet affected patient care but worry it may eventually if the staffing crisis worsens or the current surge of COVID-19 patients grows bigger. "The truth of the matter is because of the number of patients in the hospital our ability to take (transfer) patients is limited and that, quite frankly, is the exact same thing we are hearing from every other hospital across the state," Albany Medical Center President and CEO Dr. Dennis McKenna told the Times Union last week.

The shortage - which many expect will worsen as a result of the state's vaccine mandate for health care workers - even prompted one area sheriff to publish an advisory this week warning the public of the issue. "So not to cause panic but we need to be cognizant of our healthcare status," Albany County Sheriff Craig Apple wrote in a Facebook post published Wednesday afternoon. "We have a busy EMS Division, and on many occasions our ambulances are being held at the hospital for lengthy periods of time due to not being able to get into the ER." Apple told the Times Union Thursday that his ambulances are being forced to wait one to two hours to get their patients into local emergency rooms, and sometimes even longer. Not only does it create voids in coverage for the region, he said, it hampers his department's ability to provide mutual aid to surrounding areas. "I had a guy the other day tell me that they were sitting outside (a hospital) for four hours," he said, of one of his EMS workers. "That is the most unacceptable thing I've ever heard. It's insane." In his Facebook post, Apple said he's shifting resources to make up for the coverage lapse but worries he can only do that for so long. "Not so bad until a neighboring ambulance is being held at a hospital as well and the shift and void continues," he wrote. "It's a whole trickle down from rehab centers not having staffing so the hospitals can't get patients into them therefore they can't empty ERs." Apple told the Times Union he felt compelled to publish the advisory after a trauma doctor warned him the situation was reaching a crisis point.

In a related impact, Albany Med temporarily closed two of its urgent care locations in Guilderland and Mechanicville as it seeks to "decompress" pressure at the hospital's emergency department. When asked how long the closures would last, spokesman Matt Markham replied, "we're continuously evaluating the situation."

The closures come after the state's vaccine mandate for health care workers became enforceable Monday and Capital Region hospitals, including Albany Med, put hundreds of employees on leave without pay for their refusal to comply. At a Tuesday news conference to discuss the state's vaccine mandate and its impact on staffing, McKenna described a vicious cycle of worker shortages feeding off each other. Because nursing homes have shortages as well, he said, hospitals that need to discharge patients to skilled nursing facilities are being forced to hold patients in beds longer than necessary until they can find an available nursing home bed. While the vaccine mandate did not create the shortage, he said, it is expected to exacerbate it. McKenna said roughly 204 of over 11,000 employees in the hospital system failed to get their first vaccine dose or an exemption by the deadline, leading to their suspensions. Of the 204, 10 were physicians, 48 were nurses, 29 were patient care associates and six were students.

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/ER-wait-times-grow-as-staffing-shortages-strain-16500264.php?IPID=Times-Union-HP-CP-Spotlight

Only the places that had much higher death rate had higher restrictions. I am pretty sure we are talking about the nations I mentioned. They all had less restrictions. France, Italy, Belgium had more and were a mess. Even Sweden had more overall restrictions. Any, it is clear you are just stuck in winning some sort of argument you started. Here is your data, have fun with it:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&time=2020-01-22..2021-09-30&country=DNK~USA~NOR~JPN~FRA~SWE

I am not sure it makes any sense any more to keep battling for that extra 10 %, the returns, as you say, are not linear and they should be diminishing at this point as large portions of the USA have probably already been infected.

Woah this is a BIG study that looks at transmission from vaccinated vs unvax people. Concludes that even with Delta vaccinated people transmit less (although Oxford/AZ vax loses a lot of transmission prevention over time against delta)!

We continually get more good data to support the premise of this thread!

Here’s a good breakdown of the key figures.

https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1443503241908695042?s=21

Summary of conclusions:

Conclusions Vaccination reduces transmission of Delta, but by less than the Alpha variant. The impact of vaccination decreased over time. Factors other than PCR-measured viral load are important in vaccine-associated transmission reductions. Booster vaccinations may help control transmission together with preventing infections.

very interesting that Ct (viral load) doesn’t correlated perfectly with transmission. Making all the fearposting Ct studies look much weaker.

Nice to see a good epidemiology study!

Scary Stuff!!! wrote:

Only the places that had much higher death rate had higher restrictions. I am pretty sure we are talking about the nations I mentioned. They all had less restrictions. France, Italy, Belgium had more and were a mess. Even Sweden had more overall restrictions. Any, it is clear you are just stuck in winning some sort of argument you started. Here is your data, have fun with it:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=chart&time=2020-01-22..2021-09-30&country=DNK~USA~NOR~JPN~FRA~SWE

I am not sure it makes any sense any more to keep battling for that extra 10 %, the returns, as you say, are not linear and they should be diminishing at this point as large portions of the USA have probably already been infected.

The stringency index is heavily distorted by school closing … which was a MASSIVE failure in the US.

I’m curious where you lived. Do you honestly think for the last year we’ve had big restrictions in the US? Walking around my town I barely even noticed things after about March of this year.

You missed the nonlinear point. The final fractions MATTER MORE. Until we are at a level where herd immunity causes R_t to fall below 1, COVID will spread more or less exponentially. Yes the growth factor changes but it’s still increasing spread. The difference between 65 and 75% can/will be the difference between a shrinking pandemic and growing on. We are on the downslope of case growth again this time thanks to restrictions and more immune population. But with 50% unvax and maybe 30% of those unvax uninfected there’s still opportunity for unrestricted spread.

Just get vaccinated and end this. It’s not that hard. All we care about at this point are hospitals filling up and the best (cheapest too!) way to prevent that is vaccination.

No, I did not miss your point, it was just not correct. The final fractions make little to no difference. I am sure 10-15% better would make a little difference, but far less than 40 to 55% or 25 to 40%. At this point I would guess the older population vaccination rates are very high in the US. I know the deaths are still predominantly older people who did not get vaccinated. This is dumb but it is what it is. Getting more and more younger people, or god forbid needing to vaccinate kids, is not going to provide substantial gains. I don't know where you are getting your data that claims the last few little bits matter more, that is just not conventional scientific thought. So this is strange considering you are trying to sound like an expert.

That said, the data is there, the US had much higher overall restrictions. Places like Denmark that you mentioned rarely even had mask restrictions; I believe they mostly had tough rules on large gatherings like concerts and bars for a brief period. Maybe you live in Texas, but most places in the US had and continue to have mask mandates, closed schools, went to remote schooling, closed or very limited restaurants, masks outside and in parks, and are now of all times considering vaccine mandates when nearly 60% of the population is vaccinated. The USA has one of the highest rates in the world yet they are unable to say, "good enough". I think that is odd while many places they were much less restrictive both fared better and are now ready to say "good enough" and recognize that collateral losses associated with not letting go of the last little bit will be much greater than the gains.

You can believe what you want, but I think I am more likely to be right in this case and I think these nations doing so are smart and will probably turn the tide for other more resistant nations. Again, it is time to say, "good enough" and move on.

I think this video best sums up where the nation is at:

You might want to consider moving on yourself.