Carmine, abcdeFU, and ernest have repeatedly demonstrated that it is possible to be VERY incompetent. Mind you, the Russian army still has them beat, but these three are working hard to close the gap.
Perceived competencies of posters here are not relevant to outcomes of events transpiring in Ukraine.
If you ask the 1000-odd soldiers who just surrendered in Mariupol today, whose Brigade suffered a 100% loss of infantry, they might not have the same Polyanna take as Harambe Et al.
Wow, more genius insight: fighting to defend your country from murderous war criminals carries risk. We stand humbled by your gigantic IQ.
1000 Ukrainians is nothing compared to the 10's of thousands of Russians that have needlessly died in a murderous and aggressive war. Russia will likely slaughter them in frustration. Why leave in defeat when you can just commit heinous war crimes as a sore loser!?
Both the Russian and Ukraine sides underestimate incurred loss, while exaggerating inflicted loss.
The only one claiming "Tens of thousands" of Russian dead is Zelenskyy, his mouthpieces, and those parroting claims as fact.
But I'm with you on the war crimes. I heard soldiers are shooting and executing prisoners. And deliberately shelling civilian areas. Let's hope they're all held accountable.
1000 Ukrainians is nothing compared to the 10's of thousands of Russians that have needlessly died in a murderous and aggressive war. Russia will likely slaughter them in frustration. Why leave in defeat when you can just commit heinous war crimes as a sore loser!?
Both the Russian and Ukraine sides underestimate incurred loss, while exaggerating inflicted loss.
The only one claiming "Tens of thousands" of Russian dead is Zelenskyy, his mouthpieces, and those parroting claims as fact.
But I'm with you on the war crimes. I heard soldiers are shooting and executing prisoners. And deliberately shelling civilian areas. Let's hope they're all held accountable.
Plenty of independent sources have verified 10's of thousands of dead Russians. There is no debate except among the Putin-lovers. You've made it clear where you stand. Head in the sand.
We all enjoy arguing whether RT is banned. Or debating analogies to deterministic qualities of quantum vacuum fluctuations.
But nobody is commenting on the recent Surrender of more than 1000 Ukrainian combatants today in Mariupol (mostly the 36th Marine Brigade) ?
Or why the Ukraine Government refuses to acknowledge this?
Up until now, the UDF and Ukraine Government have been quite open, providing full and factual reporting.
When they disavowed the recent attack on Belgorod, Russia with Tochku-U missiles and attack helicopters, even though there is video of it, I believed the Russians attacked their own fuel facility and city.
In fact, a few days earlier, this was predicted: "Russia is believed to be planning a series of fake attacks on its own cities, with the aim of blaming it on Ukraine..."
While Russians are attacking their own people in false-flag operations, the Ukraine side would never do that. Like strike a train station in a Donbas city. Inconceivable.
When had the Ukrainian government "been quite open" on their own battlefield losses? You just make a bunch of crap up. The rest of your post reads like fan fiction in need of an editor.
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All the people that work for me make more than you do guaranteed. Peace?
You are the one defending Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. It’s even worse if you’re not Russian. It appears you have absolutely no purpose at all.
Sorry, I forgot ..
I am not defending Russian attack on Ukraine. I have clearly stated that, several times.
I am fighting hypocrisy and evilness of people who feel the urge to pile on Russians, name them subhumans, barbarians and what not, call for the extinction (real genocide) of whole nation. All that because Russia does the same thing, but to lesser extent, as nations of people who demonize and dehumanise Russians.
We all enjoy arguing whether RT is banned. Or debating analogies to deterministic qualities of quantum vacuum fluctuations.
But nobody is commenting on the recent Surrender of more than 1000 Ukrainian combatants today in Mariupol (mostly the 36th Marine Brigade) ?
Or why the Ukraine Government refuses to acknowledge this?
Up until now, the UDF and Ukraine Government have been quite open, providing full and factual reporting.
When they disavowed the recent attack on Belgorod, Russia with Tochku-U missiles and attack helicopters, even though there is video of it, I believed the Russians attacked their own fuel facility and city.
In fact, a few days earlier, this was predicted: "Russia is believed to be planning a series of fake attacks on its own cities, with the aim of blaming it on Ukraine..."
While Russians are attacking their own people in false-flag operations, the Ukraine side would never do that. Like strike a train station in a Donbas city. Inconceivable.
When had the Ukrainian government "been quite open" on their own battlefield losses? You just make a bunch of crap up. The rest of your post reads like fan fiction in need of an editor.
Precisely. The Ukrainian government is not open and does not fully and accurately report events and figures. It's light sarcasm and the point.
If the Ukraine side routinely denies even well-accepted events, how are we to accept all else as accurate.
When some suggest the Train Station strike could have been a false flag, the reaction is ridicule - because it is impossible that they would attack their own people (to further broader agenda).
Yet, the Ukraine side accuses Russia of doing exactly that.
If your perception of events in the Ukraine falls into Good-vs-Evil, where one side does no wrong and the other does no right, that's not a contradiction.
But both sides are committing war crimes and making questionable choices. It's not Black and White.
If you read the last Facebook Post from the 36th Marine Brigade, it's heavy with a sense or betrayal and incompetence by the Ukraine side.
Russia accused Ukraine of carrying out an air strike against a fuel depot in the Russian city of Belgorod on Friday, an incident the Kremlin said could affect peace talks, but a top Kyiv security official denied responsibilit...
I am not defending Russian attack on Ukraine. I have clearly stated that, several times.
I am fighting hypocrisy and evilness of people who feel the urge to pile on Russians, name them subhumans, barbarians and what not, call for the extinction (real genocide) of whole nation. All that because Russia does the same thing, but to lesser extent, as nations of people who demonize and dehumanise Russians.
A true hero. Thank God you're here to defend the real victims of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the Russians.
Your purpose here is to fill up space and to derail any conversion about Russia's failed military invasion. And also to get paid.
Both the Russian and Ukraine sides underestimate incurred loss, while exaggerating inflicted loss.
The only one claiming "Tens of thousands" of Russian dead is Zelenskyy, his mouthpieces, and those parroting claims as fact.
But I'm with you on the war crimes. I heard soldiers are shooting and executing prisoners. And deliberately shelling civilian areas. Let's hope they're all held accountable.
Plenty of independent sources have verified 10's of thousands of dead Russians. There is no debate except among the Putin-lovers. You've made it clear where you stand. Head in the sand.
Russia will take Kiev any day, I'm sure.
I am not siding with Russia or the Ukraine, but with facts and fairness, and against falsehood and hypocrisy.
If arguing these sometimes entails calling out Russophobic hate-mongering or calling BS on claims made without factual basis, then that's where the chips landed.
As there will be consequences to losing for Ukraine too. Russia will not stand NATO in Ukraine, and there is literally NOTHING anyone can do to about that.
Just like USA didn't stand Soviets in Cuba and tried to overthrow Fidel many times.
You can bark all you want, but that's how the cookie crumbles.
It's a good thing Ukraine has not shown interest in joining NATO then - so what's all the fuss about?
You can bark all you want, but your hero is losing badly and embarrassing himself.
I wouldn’t rely on anything you read about this war. Generally speaking news reports stand on very shaky legs during war time. I do think it’s safe to say this invasion is not going as well as Putin would have liked.
When had the Ukrainian government "been quite open" on their own battlefield losses? You just make a bunch of crap up. The rest of your post reads like fan fiction in need of an editor.
Precisely. The Ukrainian government is not open and does not fully and accurately report events and figures. It's light sarcasm and the point.
If the Ukraine side routinely denies even well-accepted events, how are we to accept all else as accurate.
When some suggest the Train Station strike could have been a false flag, the reaction is ridicule - because it is impossible that they would attack their own people (to further broader agenda).
Yet, the Ukraine side accuses Russia of doing exactly that.
If your perception of events in the Ukraine falls into Good-vs-Evil, where one side does no wrong and the other does no right, that's not a contradiction.
But both sides are committing war crimes and making questionable choices. It's not Black and White.
If you read the last Facebook Post from the 36th Marine Brigade, it's heavy with a sense or betrayal and incompetence by the Ukraine side.
But by invading Ukraine it became much more of a black and white situation and the credibility of most pro-Russia/Putin arguments has been destroyed while Ukraine gets a pass. Totally fair when you invade a sovereign nation.
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A true hero. Thank God you're here to defend the real victims of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, the Russians.
Your purpose here is to fill up space and to derail any conversion about Russia's failed military invasion. And also to get paid.
I know that you speak out of jealousy, because I almost took Real Obvi from you. Do not worry. Real Obvi decided to play safe, stay with you, run in family.
If your perception of events in the Ukraine falls into Good-vs-Evil, where one side does no wrong and the other does no right, that's not a contradiction.
But both sides are committing war crimes and making questionable choices. It's not Black and White.
I don't believe the majority of posters here are claiming that Ukraine can do no wrong. What most posters are saying is that Russia deserves the lion's share of the blame for starting the war, despite any excuses about NATO expansion that certain posters have floated.
Legally, I agree that both sides have probably committed war crimes and hope that those responsible, including Putin, are held responsible. Am I maybe willing to give the Ukrainians a bit more moral leeway than the Russians? Probably. As you said, it's not black and white.
If I didn't live in a "stand your ground" state and somebody broke into my house, I'm going to do whatever I can to make sure they leave in a body bag. I'll deal with the legal repercussions later.
I wouldn’t rely on anything you read about this war. Generally speaking news reports stand on very shaky legs during war time. I do think it’s safe to say this invasion is not going as well as Putin would have liked.
There isn't any way to sugar coat it.. it's been a disaster for Putin. He can erase any accounting of missing bodies and military inventory, but the fact is Russia's military hasn't yet gotten close to beating a military 1/20th of its size.
I am not siding with Russia or the Ukraine, but with facts and fairness, and against falsehood and hypocrisy.
If arguing these sometimes entails calling out Russophobic hate-mongering or calling BS on claims made without factual basis, then that's where the chips landed.
So you agree that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a murderous act of aggression?
Plenty of independent sources have verified 10's of thousands of dead Russians. There is no debate except among the Putin-lovers. You've made it clear where you stand. Head in the sand.
Russia will take Kiev any day, I'm sure.
I am not siding with Russia or the Ukraine, but with facts and fairness, and against falsehood and hypocrisy.
If arguing these sometimes entails calling out Russophobic hate-mongering or calling BS on claims made without factual basis, then that's where the chips landed.
This is about as cute as the thousands of "I'm not a Trump supporter, but..." posts that blanketed the internet in 2016.
If your perception of events in the Ukraine falls into Good-vs-Evil, where one side does no wrong and the other does no right, that's not a contradiction.
But both sides are committing war crimes and making questionable choices. It's not Black and White.
I don't believe the majority of posters here are claiming that Ukraine can do no wrong. What most posters are saying is that Russia deserves the lion's share of the blame for starting the war, despite any excuses about NATO expansion that certain posters have floated.
Legally, I agree that both sides have probably committed war crimes and hope that those responsible, including Putin, are held responsible. Am I maybe willing to give the Ukrainians a bit more moral leeway than the Russians? Probably. As you said, it's not black and white.
If I didn't live in a "stand your ground" state and somebody broke into my house, I'm going to do whatever I can to make sure they leave in a body bag. I'll deal with the legal repercussions later.
Put simply - Russia invaded a sovereign nation and will get no sympathy for anything bad that happens to them. The asymmetry in aggressive maneuvers and power is glaring - totally black and white.
Both the Russian and Ukraine sides underestimate incurred loss, while exaggerating inflicted loss.
The only one claiming "Tens of thousands" of Russian dead is Zelenskyy, his mouthpieces, and those parroting claims as fact.
But I'm with you on the war crimes. I heard soldiers are shooting and executing prisoners. And deliberately shelling civilian areas. Let's hope they're all held accountable.
Plenty of independent sources have verified 10's of thousands of dead Russians. There is no debate except among the Putin-lovers. You've made it clear where you stand. Head in the sand.
Russia will take Kiev any day, I'm sure.
I'd love to take you on your word here, but my I am not finding plenty of independent sources verifying 10's of thousands of dead Russians.
Here's what I did find:
12 March - Ukraine side acknowledges 1300 of its soldiers killed
25 March - Russian side acknowledges 1351 of its soldiers killed
25 March - Russian side claims "more than" 14,000 Ukraine soldiers killed
12 April - Ukraine side claims 19.600 Russian soldiers killed
Both sides are lying. The understate their losses and overstate losses on the other side.
This is particularly evident in Ukraine claims of Equipment losses inflicted. These are mostly between 5 to 10 times overstated in comparison to totals provided by ISW and OSINT.
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