In Defense of Galen

Have any of you guys ever heard of random drug testing?? It's where they come knocking at your door at 6am and you have to take the test right then and there or else it's a fail. Oh...and the crazy part is...it's random! Enough of this bs about him being afraid to drug test after a meet so that's why he drops out or runs low key meets.

You have to submit to usada exactly where you are going to be for the next three months. If they come to test you and you aren't where you said you would be, then it's a failed test. Again, I'd like to reiterate the point that the date is RANDOM

Does NOP have someone on the inside letting them know when these tests will occur? Why don't we just get excited that he's going for records for now and let the drug testing committees do their own job?

Even more than his awkwardness, the thing that really bothers me about Rupp is that his fanboys feel the need to try to attack and take down anyone in Schumacher's group. So, you make me dislike Rupp. How is railing Solinsky "good for the sport"?

Not railing, just being honest. Classic pot-calling-the-kettle-black-scenario.

How is it fair to single out one athlete, or group, for a common practice ?

No, you are railing. This "blocked Rupp from passing" thing is childish and exactly the type of post you are calling other people out for, saying it brings down the sport.

How is making up some story about a bunch of Wisco guys spending their weekends getting drunk and calling Rupp to call him gay "good for the sport"?

How is it "good for the sport" to describe Stuart Eagon as being "consumed with jealousy"?

I would call the Wisconsin crew as consumed with jealousy because that was and still is their status quo.

I also did not make up the phone calls, which happened in the manner which I described them. I offer these anecdotes to combat the many false ones behind peddled about Galen and his persona.

steve dildarian wrote:

How is making up some story about a bunch of Wisco guys spending their weekends getting drunk and calling Rupp to call him gay "good for the sport"?

How would you describe a group of individuals who harassed an individual via cell phones, spread lies and gossip about him incessantly, and obsessed over his every move?

Consumed with jealousy is the appropriate terminology.

steve dildarian wrote:

No, you are railing. This "blocked Rupp from passing" thing is childish and exactly the type of post you are calling other people out for, saying it brings down the sport.

Not railing. People rail against Galen incessantly here. They promote his personality and persona as some he is not. I am merely offering a more accurate perspective. Far too long has the "other" Nike group been give a blanket free pass.

As for the arm-blocking I earlier described from Oregon Relays 2007, if you can find the video you will see that it, indeed, did happen as advertised.

jack frost wrote:

I would call the Wisconsin crew as consumed with jealousy because that was and still is their status quo.

I also did not make up the phone calls, which happened in the manner which I described them. I offer these anecdotes to combat the many false ones behind peddled about Galen and his persona.

Lies lies lies. The truth is out. You aren't out to defend anyone or better the sport - you're just being inflammatory towards a certain group. Talk about hypocrisy! Might as well ditch your holier than thou facade now.

Ok, why don't you ask Teg, Solinsky, etc. if they did or did not in fact do what I personally witnessed being done.

Then we will see.

I like how you are focusing on a story that I added as an example of a larger agenda. I didn't relate it to personal put-down any of the Wisco guys, just to characterize the relationship between NOP and Schumacher's crew. You didn't even touch the real of meat of my post, which is that they are no different, medication-ally speaking, than NOP.

Its sad that we can't just admit that one super talented runner out of the hundreds can do what no American born distance runner ever has. The Wisconsin runners like Tegenkamp and Solinsky were just as talented and were at Rupp's level for a short period.

The training is intense and the ability to consistently do that training and not get injured is the key. You miss one year from an injury at that level after age 25 you will never get it back.

As far as I know Rupp has never been injured for a lengthy time. He's simply a freak.

But its very suspicious since there was never any runner like him and Salazar never proved he was a great coach of great talent until he had Rupp. And then they hypothyroid treatments, and Adam Goucher being on the same treatment and immediately rejuvenating his career. And Dathan Ritzenhein going from 13:22 as a collegiate 5000 runner, focusing on the marathon, then being coached by Salazar for about 6 weeks and running 12:56.

There is just so much suspicion because its abnormal. Like Rupp running 1:49 for 800 as a 10k/cross guy out of the blue indoors in college his senior year. At the time what was his 1500 pr? 3:40?

Just so many red flags.

Everyone is suspicious. I don't care about the old timers never were has beens like me but even the other big name coaches.

I almost can guarantee you if you got John McDonnell, Frank Gagliano, Dave Smith, Jerry Schumacher, Mick Byrne, Bob Larsen, Joe Vigil, Ron Warhurst, Martin Smith off the record they will share the same opinion towards Rupp.

CS breaks AR record then suddenly he's no where to be seen and running crappy times. That raises more suspicion than anything else.

Rupp is likely not doing anything that is considered illegal, or at least, not illegal at this time. But, Rupp is going something that gives him a significant advantage over other runners. Special "I'm not tired" post-race workouts, and wide distance "I can set WRs from 1500m to the Marathon" range, are the end result of the something that Rupp is doing. All runners should be allow be such a superman, or no runner should be allowed to do what Rupp is doing.

George Atlas wrote:

Think again wrote:

CS breaks AR record then suddenly he's no where to be seen and running crappy times. That raises more suspicion than anything else.

Well he did break 13:00 and was just off the AR in the 5000. And he ran 13:12 the summer after his senior collegiate season.

I know. Running 1:57 for 800 at the end of a 26:59 10k is probably the most shocking and unexpected effort I've ever seen in 30 years of following this sport among American distance runners.

jack frost wrote:

It's not an accusation, as I've stated before. I was merely pointing out one large, gaping example of a double standard. Still no one will refute that they aren't on the thyroid meds, because it's true.

The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim.

That would be you.

The fact that he is the number one tested person means that an objective body is suspicious. Taken further, that objective body is suspicious of the whole Nike campus. The amount of testing for the Salazar and Schumacher groups is very disproportionate to the USA elite testing pool.

jack frost wrote:

Ok, why don't you ask Teg, Solinsky, etc. if they did or did not in fact do what I personally witnessed being done.

Then we will see.

I asked Teg. He didn't know what you're talking about.