Biden may be dropping out of the race...major family discussion today

fisky wrote:

This. On March 7, during the State of the Union, I remarked to my wife that Biden's doctors had done a great job of titrating his medications. Biden read from the teleprompter for 65 minutes and did a pretty good job. His dementia wasn't noticeable.

Fast forward exactly 16 weeks and even with a week off to rest and prepare, Biden came across like a drugged nursing home patient. Bluecat4ever, did you watch the clip after the debate ended? Jill Biden had to guide him off the stage and hold his arm while Biden gingerly took one step off the stage. The man can't even take a single stairstep anymore without assistance.

It was only 16 weeks from March 7 to June 27, but during those four months, Biden mental function has declined dramatically. His meds are no longer working. This is common in dementia patients. They just get worse. This is not a man who can handle 4 more years as President.

I doubt very seriously if the man we saw on stage could pass the Montreal Cognitive Assessment... a standard test to determine whether someone is mentally competent.

PCRF-Guy wrote:

fisky wrote:

This. On March 7, during the State of the Union, I remarked to my wife that Biden's doctors had done a great job of titrating his medications. Biden read from the teleprompter for 65 minutes and did a pretty good job. His dementia wasn't noticeable.

Fast forward exactly 16 weeks and even with a week off to rest and prepare, Biden came across like a drugged nursing home patient. Bluecat4ever, did you watch the clip after the debate ended? Jill Biden had to guide him off the stage and hold his arm while Biden gingerly took one step off the stage. The man can't even take a single stairstep anymore without assistance.

It was only 16 weeks from March 7 to June 27, but during those four months, Biden mental function has declined dramatically. His meds are no longer working. This is common in dementia patients. They just get worse. This is not a man who can handle 4 more years as President.

I doubt very seriously if the man we saw on stage could pass the Montreal Cognitive Assessment... a standard test to determine whether someone is mentally competent.

This.
People with cognitive decline don’t always show it. Reading off a prepared/rehearsed text is a much easier task than analyzing / debating in real time.
Hence, we ‘beat Medicare’. To think the democrats are convinced he can continue working for 4 more years….

fisky wrote:

NYPost wrote:

But you're not getting "an adult in the room" with Biden. Dementia patients get worse over the timeframe of months. How is he supposed to handle the duties of being president over 4 additional years? Even if you just think he'll have a good cabinet manage everything, what is the US supposed to do when he's scheduled to meet foreign leaders? You don't think it'll look weird to have his handlers conduct the meeting while Biden sits around and drools?

This. On March 7, during the State of the Union, I remarked to my wife that Biden's doctors had done a great job of titrating his medications. Biden read from the teleprompter for 65 minutes and did a pretty good job. His dementia wasn't noticeable.

Fast forward exactly 16 weeks and even with a week off to rest and prepare, Biden came across like a drugged nursing home patient. Bluecat4ever, did you watch the clip after the debate ended? Jill Biden had to guide him off the stage and hold his arm while Biden gingerly took one step off the stage. The man can't even take a single stairstep anymore without assistance.

It was only 16 weeks from March 7 to June 27, but during those four months, Biden mental function has declined dramatically. His meds are no longer working. This is common in dementia patients. They just get worse. This is not a man who can handle 4 more years as President.

I doubt very seriously if the man we saw on stage could pass the Montreal Cognitive Assessment... a standard test to determine whether someone is mentally competent.

chgray wrote:

fisky wrote:

This. On March 7, during the State of the Union, I remarked to my wife that Biden's doctors had done a great job of titrating his medications. Biden read from the teleprompter for 65 minutes and did a pretty good job. His dementia wasn't noticeable.

Fast forward exactly 16 weeks and even with a week off to rest and prepare, Biden came across like a drugged nursing home patient. Bluecat4ever, did you watch the clip after the debate ended? Jill Biden had to guide him off the stage and hold his arm while Biden gingerly took one step off the stage. The man can't even take a single stairstep anymore without assistance.

It was only 16 weeks from March 7 to June 27, but during those four months, Biden mental function has declined dramatically. His meds are no longer working. This is common in dementia patients. They just get worse. This is not a man who can handle 4 more years as President.

I doubt very seriously if the man we saw on stage could pass the Montreal Cognitive Assessment... a standard test to determine whether someone is mentally competent.

Other scenario. Biden stays in race, wins in November and by mid-2025 steps aside as President and Harris is promoted to President. True he can handle 4 more years but 9-12 more months perhaps.

chgray wrote:

fisky wrote:

This. On March 7, during the State of the Union, I remarked to my wife that Biden's doctors had done a great job of titrating his medications. Biden read from the teleprompter for 65 minutes and did a pretty good job. His dementia wasn't noticeable.

Fast forward exactly 16 weeks and even with a week off to rest and prepare, Biden came across like a drugged nursing home patient. Bluecat4ever, did you watch the clip after the debate ended? Jill Biden had to guide him off the stage and hold his arm while Biden gingerly took one step off the stage. The man can't even take a single stairstep anymore without assistance.

It was only 16 weeks from March 7 to June 27, but during those four months, Biden mental function has declined dramatically. His meds are no longer working. This is common in dementia patients. They just get worse. This is not a man who can handle 4 more years as President.

I doubt very seriously if the man we saw on stage could pass the Montreal Cognitive Assessment... a standard test to determine whether someone is mentally competent.

Other scenario. Biden stays in race, wins in November and by mid-2025 steps aside as President and Harris is promoted to President. True he can handle 4 more years but 9-12 more months perhaps.

WinstonSmith wrote:

bluecat4ever wrote:

Winston, good sir, have you read the Project 2025 180-day playbook?

Have you read it or have you just been told to be upset about it?

Here are the bullets on the DoD:

Priority No. 1: Reestablish a culture of command accountability,
nonpoliticization, and warfighting focus.
- Priority No. 2: Transform our armed forces for maximum effectiveness in
an era of great-power competition.
- Priority No. 3: Provide necessary support to Department of Homeland
Security (DHS) border protection operations. Border protection is a
national security issue that requires sustained attention and effort by all
elements of the executive branch.
- Priority No. 4: Demand financial transparency and accountability

Which part of that is theocratic or right wing extremist?

Here's the Department of Education:

- Advancing education freedom. Empowering families to choose among
a diverse set of education options is key to reform and improved outcomes,
and it can be achieved without establishing a new federal program. For
example, portability of existing federal education spending to fund families
directly or allowing federal tax credits to encourage voluntary contributions
to K–12 education savings accounts managed by charitable nonprofits, could
significantly advance education choice.
- Providing education choice for “federal” children. Congress has a
special responsibility to children who are connected to military families,
who live in the District of Columbia, or who are members of sovereign tribes.
Responsibility for serving these students should be housed in agencies that
are already serving these families.
- Restoring state and local control over education funding. As
Washington begins to downsize its intervention in education, existing
funding should be sent to states as grants over which they have full control,
enabling states to put federal funding toward any lawful education purpose
under state law.
- Treating taxpayers like investors in federal student aid. Taxpayers
should expect their investments in higher education to generate economic
productivity. When the federal government lends money to individuals for a
postsecondary education, taxpayers should expect those borrowers to repay.
- Protecting the federal student loan portfolio from predatory
politicians. The new Administration must end the practice of acting like
the federal student loan portfolio is a campaign fund to curry political
support and votes. The new Administration must end abuses in the loan
forgiveness programs. Borrowers should be expected to repay their loans.
- Safeguarding civil rights. Enforcement of civil rights should be based on
a proper understanding of those laws, rejecting gender ideology and critical
race theory.
- Stopping executive overreach. Congress should set policy—not
Presidents through pen-and-phone executive orders, and not agencies
through regulations and guidance. National emergency declarations should
expire absent express congressional authorization within 60 days after the
date of the declaration.

None of that is extreme. You are continually lied to about everything. Everything.

lol libs wrote:

WinstonSmith wrote:

Have you read it or have you just been told to be upset about it?

Here are the bullets on the DoD:

Priority No. 1: Reestablish a culture of command accountability,
nonpoliticization, and warfighting focus.
- Priority No. 2: Transform our armed forces for maximum effectiveness in
an era of great-power competition.
- Priority No. 3: Provide necessary support to Department of Homeland
Security (DHS) border protection operations. Border protection is a
national security issue that requires sustained attention and effort by all
elements of the executive branch.
- Priority No. 4: Demand financial transparency and accountability

Which part of that is theocratic or right wing extremist?

Here's the Department of Education:

- Advancing education freedom. Empowering families to choose among
a diverse set of education options is key to reform and improved outcomes,
and it can be achieved without establishing a new federal program. For
example, portability of existing federal education spending to fund families
directly or allowing federal tax credits to encourage voluntary contributions
to K–12 education savings accounts managed by charitable nonprofits, could
significantly advance education choice.
- Providing education choice for “federal” children. Congress has a
special responsibility to children who are connected to military families,
who live in the District of Columbia, or who are members of sovereign tribes.
Responsibility for serving these students should be housed in agencies that
are already serving these families.
- Restoring state and local control over education funding. As
Washington begins to downsize its intervention in education, existing
funding should be sent to states as grants over which they have full control,
enabling states to put federal funding toward any lawful education purpose
under state law.
- Treating taxpayers like investors in federal student aid. Taxpayers
should expect their investments in higher education to generate economic
productivity. When the federal government lends money to individuals for a
postsecondary education, taxpayers should expect those borrowers to repay.
- Protecting the federal student loan portfolio from predatory
politicians. The new Administration must end the practice of acting like
the federal student loan portfolio is a campaign fund to curry political
support and votes. The new Administration must end abuses in the loan
forgiveness programs. Borrowers should be expected to repay their loans.
- Safeguarding civil rights. Enforcement of civil rights should be based on
a proper understanding of those laws, rejecting gender ideology and critical
race theory.
- Stopping executive overreach. Congress should set policy—not
Presidents through pen-and-phone executive orders, and not agencies
through regulations and guidance. National emergency declarations should
expire absent express congressional authorization within 60 days after the
date of the declaration.

None of that is extreme. You are continually lied to about everything. Everything.

It sounds like common sense, so it would make sense that many would view it as extreme.

bluecat4ever wrote:

Trust me, most of us Democrats are not voting FOR Joe. I'm from Delaware and have spoken with him several times, but I don't think he's anywhere near an ideal choice for us. He's milquetoast to actual progressives. We're being forced to vote against Trump because he represents/supports:

*Christian nationalism/theocracy (although I doubt he has a religious bone in his body, he knows he needs to court the evangelicals and governs as such)

*Project 2025 (truly "Handmaid's Tale"-level terror)

*demagoguery (he's literally said he wants to be a dictator and throws his support at maniacs like Putin and Orban)

*criminality (do I even need to explain this one?)

*dishonesty (30,000+ lies from 2016-2020)

*dismantling of fair elections and trust in elections (he only accepts results when he wins because he is the king of all narcissists; he invented the "voter fraud" problem specifically to erode faith in elections, achieving what the Russians/KGB wanted to do to America - that is, mindf**k us)

*obsession with victory/retribution/retaliation for perceived wrongs

*weird preoccupation with ratings/popularity (I think he has what I might call Willy Loman syndrome - his dad did a number on him)

*echoing Hitler during his speeches and on his Web site (calling opponents "vermin," convincing his base that illegal immigrants are all "rapists and thugs," calling for patriotic education and religious education (all Nazi talking points in the '30s/'40s)

*huge tax cuts for the ultra-rich (Reagan destroyed the middle class, of course, but Trump's tax cuts during his administration echoed Ron's absurd "trickle-down" ideas)

*late-night rants on Twitter that even a 12-year-old would find immature

*comically ridiculous anti-science/anti-intellectual rhetoric (telling Americans to take horse dewormer, saying we should nuke hurricanes, etc.)

*resorting to the odious "Gish gallop" during a debate (what other choice did he have, though?)

Basically, we need an adult in the room. Trump ain't it. As a Democrat myself, I can say that I am wayyyyyyyy more scared of the Christofascist infrastructure that has built itself up under Trump than I am of Donald himself. But yeah, the point is ultimately this: we're not voting for Joe. We have to vote against Trump.