I thought Alberto did figure it out, when he put Galen to running on a treadmill in a swimming pool. It allowed him to get a lot more additional work in versus just running on land.
You said "additional" - so it wasn't being used to reduce his training.
Huh?? Where did I say cross-training is being used to reduce workload? If anything, it is allowing the athletes to get in even more aerobic work than that of only running.
The first sentence talks about them being outliers. What do they lie outside of? If we aren't going to compare them to the other elite runners, there is no perspective.
Every kind of reason - and most of it simply conjecture - is being used to try to justify what is otherwise implausible: that you can make huge improvements and be a much better runner than your competitors while training less.
You’re obviously confused. I don’t think anyone on this thread, except maybe you, is trying to suggest that cross training allows one to “train less”, or that it’s a “shortcut”. They’re suggesting the opposite, that it allows the athletes to get in more aerobic work than if they were only strictly running.
And you seem to think this is a new idea, that it took people 50 years to figure that out?!? 🤦♂️
Every kind of reason - and most of it simply conjecture - is being used to try to justify what is otherwise implausible: that you can make huge improvements and be a much better runner than your competitors while training less.
You’re obviously confused. I don’t think anyone on this thread, except maybe you, is trying to suggest that cross training allows one to “train less”, or that it’s a “shortcut”. They’re suggesting the opposite, that it allows the athletes to get in more aerobic work than if they were only strictly running.
And you seem to think this is a new idea, that it took people 50 years to figure that out?!? 🤦♂️
Care to explain how cross-training is more aerobic than running? If it is so efficient it must be part of Bekele and Kipchoge's programme. And of course Jakob.
You said "additional" - so it wasn't being used to reduce his training.
Huh?? Where did I say cross-training is being used to reduce workload? If anything, it is allowing the athletes to get in even more aerobic work than that of only running.
So why hasn't it become the norm for distance athletes?
Every kind of reason - and most of it simply conjecture - is being used to try to justify what is otherwise implausible: that you can make huge improvements and be a much better runner than your competitors while training less.
You’re obviously confused. I don’t think anyone on this thread, except maybe you, is trying to suggest that cross training allows one to “train less”, or that it’s a “shortcut”. They’re suggesting the opposite, that it allows the athletes to get in more aerobic work than if they were only strictly running.
And you seem to think this is a new idea, that it took people 50 years to figure that out?!? 🤦♂️
The shortcut is doping. Cross training is mainly used by multi-event athletes and not specialists like distance runners.
You’re obviously confused. I don’t think anyone on this thread, except maybe you, is trying to suggest that cross training allows one to “train less”, or that it’s a “shortcut”. They’re suggesting the opposite, that it allows the athletes to get in more aerobic work than if they were only strictly running.
And you seem to think this is a new idea, that it took people 50 years to figure that out?!? 🤦♂️
The shortcut is doping. Cross training is mainly used by multi-event athletes and not specialists like distance runners.
Obviously, you are wrong. We have two young females that have been running phenomenons since high school, and cross training has become a HUGE part of their success.
You’re obviously confused. I don’t think anyone on this thread, except maybe you, is trying to suggest that cross training allows one to “train less”, or that it’s a “shortcut”. They’re suggesting the opposite, that it allows the athletes to get in more aerobic work than if they were only strictly running.
And you seem to think this is a new idea, that it took people 50 years to figure that out?!? 🤦♂️
Care to explain how cross-training is more aerobic than running? If it is so efficient it must be part of Bekele and Kipchoge's programme. And of course Jakob.
Nobody said it is ‘more’ aerobic than running. But combined with running, it makes sense that the overall aerobic workload can be higher than doing strictly just running, particularly for runners prone to injury. Probably the main reason it hasn’t caught on in Africa (if it hasn’t?), is because they don’t have ready access to the machines found in this country.
Care to explain how cross-training is more aerobic than running? If it is so efficient it must be part of Bekele and Kipchoge's programme. And of course Jakob.
Nobody said it is ‘more’ aerobic than running. But combined with running, it makes sense that the overall aerobic workload can be higher than doing strictly just running, particularly for runners prone to injury. Probably the main reason it hasn’t caught on in Africa (if it hasn’t?), is because they don’t have ready access to the machines found in this country.
Another reason it is probably not popular with typical runners, is likened to my personal experience: I don’t really enjoy it, vs just running. But I now think I’ve been short-changing any improvements to be made in my running by avoiding the machines. I plateaued a long time ago. However, I don’t like having to drive over 20 minutes to get to my gym.
The shortcut is doping. Cross training is mainly used by multi-event athletes and not specialists like distance runners.
Obviously, you are wrong. We have two young females that have been running phenomenons since high school, and cross training has become a HUGE part of their success.
Unless it was something else that was a HUGE part of their success. So who else is HUGELY successful at distance running as a result of cross-training?
Care to explain how cross-training is more aerobic than running? If it is so efficient it must be part of Bekele and Kipchoge's programme. And of course Jakob.
Nobody said it is ‘more’ aerobic than running. But combined with running, it makes sense that the overall aerobic workload can be higher than doing strictly just running, particularly for runners prone to injury. Probably the main reason it hasn’t caught on in Africa (if it hasn’t?), is because they don’t have ready access to the machines found in this country.
If cross-training isn't more efficient than running, what is the rationale for preferring it? You just said runners could get in "more aerobic work than if they were just running", but if they are training to their max with running, where do they find the energy reserves to add to that workload with cross training? (This is bearing in mind that the subject of the thread was not running every day - I believe 2 days a week was indicated).
Care to explain how cross-training is more aerobic than running? If it is so efficient it must be part of Bekele and Kipchoge's programme. And of course Jakob.
Nobody said it is ‘more’ aerobic than running. But combined with running, it makes sense that the overall aerobic workload can be higher than doing strictly just running, particularly for runners prone to injury. Probably the main reason it hasn’t caught on in Africa (if it hasn’t?), is because they don’t have ready access to the machines found in this country.
"Probably" this and "probably" that - you wouldn't have the first clue as to whether they don't have access to running machines. You're simply guessing. They don't have gyms in Kenya? And running machines are better than hills for an aerobic workout?
Obviously, you are wrong. We have two young females that have been running phenomenons since high school, and cross training has become a HUGE part of their success.
Unless it was something else that was a HUGE part of their success. So who else is HUGELY successful at distance running as a result of cross-training?
I could be mistaken, but another high school female prodigy that used a lot of cross-training was Allie Ostrander.
Nobody said it is ‘more’ aerobic than running. But combined with running, it makes sense that the overall aerobic workload can be higher than doing strictly just running, particularly for runners prone to injury. Probably the main reason it hasn’t caught on in Africa (if it hasn’t?), is because they don’t have ready access to the machines found in this country.
"Probably" this and "probably" that - you wouldn't have the first clue as to whether they don't have access to running machines. You're simply guessing. They don't have gyms in Kenya? And running machines are better than hills for an aerobic workout?
I’m not guessing; I simply don’t have the answer to a question that is not that important to me, in light of the fact that what we DO, UNQUESTIONABLY, know, is that for some phenomenal runners, cross training is an absolutely HUGE part of their success.
The evidence of success so far leans more toward the female gender. However, poo-poo arguably the best male runner this country has ever produced, there is also the example of Rupp. However, he does an even more esoteric (aka, expensive) type of cross-training.
Some of the haters must think strength training is a waste of time also because the runners could be doing more running instead of strength training. Maybe they shouldn't do easy runs either because they could get more miles in if running faster. They could increase mileage by running in between intervals rather than taking breaks.
"Probably" this and "probably" that - you wouldn't have the first clue as to whether they don't have access to running machines. You're simply guessing. They don't have gyms in Kenya? And running machines are better than hills for an aerobic workout?
I’m not guessing; I simply don’t have the answer to a question that is not that important to me, in light of the fact that what we DO, UNQUESTIONABLY, know, is that for some phenomenal runners, cross training is an absolutely HUGE part of their success.
The evidence of success so far leans more toward the female gender. However, poo-poo arguably the best male runner this country has ever produced, there is also the example of Rupp. However, he does an even more esoteric (aka, expensive) type of cross-training.
It may only be coincidence that these athletes who have enjoyed spectacular success have also cross-trained. There is easily another explanation for their success. If it works so well for endurance athletes why isn't it the norm? Other runners would be stupid not to be doing it if it is superior training. Are they that dumb?
In the end, the argument here that these athletes' success was built on cross-training is to get around the awkward fact they were not putting in the miles, like their competitors were.
Cross training isn't better. You just don't listen. These two runners are injury prone so they do maybe 10 hours of cardio in place of 5 hours of running. They would be even faster if they could run more and cross train less.