Full Shelby Houlihan Report is Out from CAS

Monkeyoo wrote:

My takeaway is that if Lance Armstrong won 7 straight Tour de Frances riding a cheap tricycle that Rojo would assume he was clean.

Or to put it another way, if Paula set the marathon world record wearing army boots that Rojo would assume she was clean.

nsnnsnd wrote:

Katie Mackey

Karissa Schweitzer

Shannon rowbury

Marie Lawrence

Colleen quigley

Sara Vaughn

Jenny Simpson

Rachel Schneider

A probably incomplete list of runners who have lost us titles and making global teams to Shelby. If this were any other athlete, this would be the thing we’d be talking about.

There's nothing that can be done about it so what would be the point in discussing it? Her being busted recently is not absolute proof that she was cheating when she was competing against the people you listed anyway.

You could say the same thing about Regina Jacobs but I don't remember much discussion about it when she was busted.

rojo wrote:

rojo wrote:

I'm only halfway through it. I got to admit the fact that she refused to wear the carbon shoes really makes me believe she is much more likely to be guilty than if she did wear them.

I meant to say much less likely,

What you are doing is allowing your personal biases to determine what you believe to be truth. As well, your logic is total flawed as the two are in no way connected. It's like saying that someone who is a good father who loved his children would never murder his wife. So for that person, all a guy would need to do to prove he was innocent of murdering his wife would be to prove he was a good father who loved his children... as though that was somehow relevant. The actual facts of the crime itself are irrelevant. Photos of him actually murdering his wife, for example, just wouldn't matter because he instead was able to prove that he was a good father who loved his children. Good fathers who love their children don't murder their wives, so the photos must wrong. Now start a long conspiracy theory about the inherent inability to trust photographic evidence.

It's sad how easy people can be convinced of fact A simply by convincing them that an unrelated Fact B is true.

sanootage wrote:

Many seem to forget that she only presented the food explanation as nothing else could be identified.

Thus; she did not say that the food was the explanation .

I agree with the panel that her possible explanation should be rejected.

I still favour sabotage.

Forgetting that there being absolutely zero evidence to suggest this is a possibility other that "I want to believe it," explain the who, why, and how regarding "sabotage" in this instance, why the effort would be worth it in TRACK AND FIELD (a niche sport will relatively low financial stakes), and why Shelby in particular was the target. The is so beyond ludicrous that I can't believe grown adults could actually seriously believe this, even without considering the facts laid out in the CAS ruling.

I read the report. I know a bit about the science behind the testing. CAS literally laughed her out of court. This is a huge win for anti-doping.

was-a-happy-seed wrote:

Folks here seem reluctant to acknowledge this, however implausible does not infer impossible.

On the contrary, the underlying reason for some of these pork, truck, dinner night out, wrong meat coincidences is the mathematics of chance.

It's inevitable that one of the set of all possible outcomes must occur, and in Houlihan's case, maybe did occur.

Consider this: An outcome which has a tiny chance of occurring becomes almost certain if you give it enough opportunities. How many combinations of time and circumstance did it take for that one chance to manifest itself through Houlihan? Who knows when the clock began ticking and the stars began aligning, but it certainly may have been Houlihan's turn to experience the improbable.

For all of you who've assumed that Houlihan's events are independent, consider the fact that the occurrence of one makes the other more likely.

It's also possible that an asteroid containing steroids landed in her morning cup of coffee.

She's GUILTY.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

There was nothing to lose so that's what did.

Not exactly. The report states she agreed to pay court costs if she lost. I think they really believed they'd win the case.

pg 9. vi. The Athlete shall bear the arbitration costs of these proceedings, if any.

White girl fails drug test after Mexican food found to be too 'spicy'

Charlatan wrote:

Did I hit a nerve? I've been at more US and World Champs than you have that's for sure.

Well they do need peeps to carry the athletes' stuff from the starting line. It's an honest job and you do it very well. Keep it up.

jewbacca wrote:

I read the report. I know a bit about the science behind the testing. CAS literally laughed her out of court. This is a huge win for anti-doping.

But is the victory fair. The burden on the athlete is close to impossible to meet.

An other non cheat convicted; how is this a victory?

jewbacca wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

There was nothing to lose so that's what did.

Not exactly. The report states she agreed to pay court costs if she lost. I think they really believed they'd win the case.

pg 9. vi. The Athlete shall bear the arbitration costs of these proceedings, if any.

Nike was concerned arbitration costs? Come on.

Subject has already been beaten to death but Derrick from MPMD had the most most in depth scientific analysis out there and he came to the conclusion

-it is possible for meat contamination but the chances it happened to Shelby are so so so slim it’s improbable

-she was probably not taking Deca by itself and more likely taking some designer drug contaminated with deca or some drug cocktail just how the Russian where doing

https://youtu.be/ydtxerY2_Lk

Those athletes should be furious right now and rightly so...lost titles and money.

Roooso wrote:

Her appearance has nothing to do with it. Nandrolone isn't used for building muscle mass. Nandrolone is useful for healing tendon and ligament injuries. It was the offseason so she was likely trying to recover from a nagging injury by taking Nandrolone orally before returning to training.

Yes it does. Bodybuilders take nandrolone specifically because it increases muscle mass and does a really good job of it. However, it is also a great drug for healing joint injuries, building bone mass (so good for stress fractures) and also will increase hemoglobin and red cell mass. Specifically it will cause proliferation of myoblasts, increase satellite cell number, promote erythropoeisis, and foster osteoblast proliferation.

So, maybe she was taking it to recover from an injury, but she could have been taking it for other reasons too. You'll need to ask her about that. It sure would be great for the sport to have some honesty about this but I doubt she will ever come out and just tell the real story. Look for the comeback at 32 instead.

Kenneth Copeland, Verified Millionaire wrote:

sanootage wrote:

Many seem to forget that she only presented the food explanation as nothing else could be identified.

Thus; she did not say that the food was the explanation .

I agree with the panel that her possible explanation should be rejected.

I still favour sabotage.

Forgetting that there being absolutely zero evidence to suggest this is a possibility other that "I want to believe it," explain the who, why, and how regarding "sabotage" in this instance, why the effort would be worth it in TRACK AND FIELD (a niche sport will relatively low financial stakes), and why Shelby in particular was the target. The is so beyond ludicrous that I can't believe grown adults could actually seriously believe this, even without considering the facts laid out in the CAS ruling.

The ruling did not deal with sabotage; so who has the ludicrous brain?

I don’t accept her defence.

I don’t accept she cheated, no one in their right mind would go near Nandrolone; this is not 25 years ago.

May be contaminated supplements.

Sabotage could be caused by a whole range of non monetary reasons.

Either way no definitive proof of cheating.

Roooso wrote:

Her appearance has nothing to do with it. Nandrolone isn't used for building muscle mass. Nandrolone is useful for healing tendon and ligament injuries. It was the offseason so she was likely trying to recover from a nagging injury by taking Nandrolone orally before returning to training.

With out of comp testing and month long detection you are not a bright person are you.

Yes, definitive proof of cheating, a drug test. Next your going to say DNA is not definitive proof of identity. In the world they and everyone else live in testing is proof, sorry.

You know how ridiculous you sound? If you have evidence of sabotage bring it forth or stop crowing

Even they didnt make that argument. Why? Because it’s even more ridiculous than a nandrolone burrito

Shelburrito. wrote:

Yep. If you are not convinced after reading this, nothing is going to convince you short of a confession.

It took a confession for most Lance apologists to change their tune. Then the goal posts just moved to everyone was doping.

Simple white privilege in full force.

This is related to the reason that Shelby received such a staunch defense by some here.