1) So this is a fact now, not an opinion? “That's when Trump sent his tweet instructing the militia to kill him.” Or is that your interpretation of where WE are?
2) What did Trump mean in his tweet 14 minutes later where he said something like “stay peaceful”. Was there a hidden meaning in that tweet also? ❓❓❓❓
3) ....more than a couple. 😉 Have you taken your findings to the Jan 6 committee? if not, why not. They appear to be very obvious (to you) attempts by a sitting president to murder the VP. That’s significant, no? ❓❓❓❓
1) It is a fact that Trump sent the tweet about Pence. It is opinion that Trump intended the tweet as an order to kill Pence. It is a fact that the mob interpreted the tweet as an order to kill Pence.
2) The tweet 14 minutes later was about being nice to the police. Note that the tweet did not tell anyone to leave the Capitol or to stop breaking the law. At that point, the militia was in control of Capitol and not the police.
We know at this point that Trump's staff had been begging him to tell everyone to leave the Capitol, but Trump refused. So this tweet about being nice to the police might have served two purposes. One was to appease his staff.
The other possible reason Trump might have sent this tweet was to appease any of the cops who might be on Trump's side. Any cops allied with Trump could be very helpful locating Pence, who Trump knew had fled the floor just minutes earlier.
3) I am not in possession of information that the committee doesn't already have.
You also seem to believe that Trump could be guilty of attempted murder. You have said nothing to rebut my assertion, which means you are in tacit agreement.
Whew! A lot to unpack here. 😂😂😂
1) What specifically in that tweet leads you to believe (quite strongly) that it was a signal for people to kill Pence?
2) You say it is a FACT that the mob interpreted the tweet as “an order” to kill Pence. Explain how that is a fact and not an opinion.
3) So after Trump’s “be nice to police” tweet, the mob stopped the violence directed towards police? Or, at least the mob knew he tweeted it just to appease his staff and wasn’t to be interpreted as an order for them to stop being violent towards police? Or the mob knew it was directed to friendly Capitol police who should continue to lead the mob to Pence in order to kill him or kill him themselves. Do I have that right?
4) So you are not willing to send your findings to the Jan 6 committee? Why not? They may have the same info, but not the correct interpretation of them. Don’t you think this would be important to them.
5) About 30 minutes after the tweet “ordering” people at the Capitol to kill Pence, Trump tweets something like “remain peaceful” and to “respect the law”. What was that code for?
He's not running for office. He's not the front runner in the straw polls. The majority of Americans do not want him to run.
The ONLY people talking about Trump are leftist morons and their lackeys like you.
Your words: "He's relevant only in your own mind."
100% objectively untrue/inaccurate. By a healthy fraction of 330 million. But yeah, you're close.
AND, like other Trumpers on this thread, PRETENDING that there aren't R politicians all over the country right now making it VERY clear to the mouth breathers that they're in lockstep with Trump so that they'll vote for them in the primaries. Yeah, you're right, it's just the crazy-leftist-radicals that are talking about him (a group that contains Liz Cheney, of course).
Here's a thought for you and Sally and the others: Maybe just stop at making bad arguments? Or shaky arguments? But stay away from the ABSURD arguments?
The "attack" was pre-planned and coordinated for MONTHS. So the Proud Boys skipped the rally because they needed time to figure out where to attack...
They times their "attack" to coincide with the crowd marching in behind them by starting their "attack" before the rally was even over...
lol...
Have you seen the polling on your 1/6 nonsense? Most people do not care about this.
The Proud Boys didn't know what security would look like on January 6th. It stands to reason that they would do reconnaissance that morning to find the best location to begin their attack. And according to sworn testimony, that's exactly what they did.
They weren't there to attend the Trump rally. The Proud Boys were there to break into the Capitol and stop the electoral count. That much is known with certainty because some Proud Boys have already pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy.
Testimony and video evidence also shows that the Proud Boys waited to start their attack as the crowd was illegally marching toward the Capitol. They had about 250 Proud Boys in attendance. But that would not be enough to break through security without backup from the crowd.
What are your thought about 9/11 being an inside job. Do you think Oathkeepers were responsible for taking down World Trade Center 7?
First we had a little lesson in stupidity. Now we'll have one in insecurity AND stupidity:
Some of you guys are too insecure to admit more than "x" people disagree with you (even though you KNOW it's much, much greater than "x"). So, you PRETEND that it's x-y, because you're too insecure to handle the truth that many people disagree with you.
And what's that OTHER word I'm always helping you out with? Oh, that's right, PATHETIC.
If you knew how much I enjoy you rage typing through you tears you'd never post again.
Trump only seems like he's relevant to you because you have TDS and you consume media that is entirely run by other people with TDS.
Normal people have moved on.
More people want him to stay gone than want him to run in 2024.
This is the reality no matter how much you stomp your little feet and cry about it.
As I've said, sometime there is hyperbole.
But you stating that Trump is irrelevant is absolutely no less than saying that up is down and black is white.
F***** weird that someone would want to be seen as so stupid.
As I've also said before, it's kinda fun utterly destroying you. Too easy, but still enjoyable.
I'm not condoning what he did, but I imagine that if he believes the J6 commission to be little more than a publicity stunt by democrats to drag the GOP through the mud, I would guess he wasn't particularly thrilled by the prospect of getting in front of them for any reason. He's not the first politician to lie to try and preserve his image.
I'd imagine he might have demanded an investigation on Mikie Sherrill because she was the one that made the claim that he did something wrong with the tour.
If the J6 Committee were "little more than a publicity stunt", five conservative Supreme Court Justices, including three appointed by Trump, would not have ordered the National Archive to release the Mark Meadows documents to the committee.
Whatever he believes does not matter if it is detached from reality.
Your words: "He's relevant only in your own mind."
100% objectively untrue/inaccurate. By a healthy fraction of 330 million. But yeah, you're close.
AND, like other Trumpers on this thread, PRETENDING that there aren't R politicians all over the country right now making it VERY clear to the mouth breathers that they're in lockstep with Trump so that they'll vote for them in the primaries. Yeah, you're right, it's just the crazy-leftist-radicals that are talking about him (a group that contains Liz Cheney, of course).
Here's a thought for you and Sally and the others: Maybe just stop at making bad arguments? Or shaky arguments? But stay away from the ABSURD arguments?
Just a thought.
Trump's policies are very popular.
Being on Trump's side means not being on YOUR side.
People aren't voting for Trump they are voting against YOU. The never Trumper trash that infects the party.
DeSantis beats Trump in the polls because he's got Trump policies without the Trump character flaws.
The method “worked” right up until we started consuming a lot more sugar and then suddenly it stopped working. Seems like it wasn’t doing as much as you think it was and the rate of obesity is dependent largely on other factors.
We did a lot of things for thousands of years that could be considered naive. Our understanding of medicine, for example. Your argument of “this is how we’ve done it so it’s definitely the best way to do it” is silly stuff. That’s what oligarchs said before we invented democracy.
Fat people are aware of the health consequences. I don’t need to “lie to them.” How often are you bringing up other peoples weight in conversation?
Your ideas on humanity are really strange to me. You look down on people of different races. You look down on fat people. You look down on queer people. It’s like you only accept one type of human as “correct.” It’s completely un-American and uninspiring. People want and believe that everyone can thrive, or that we can enable more people to thrive. They don’t want to cull the weaklings stealing our hard earned tax dollars. That’s why you’ll lose. What our actions say about us is just as important as the outcome of those actions and an ultra competitive no safety net no universal healthcare system says about us is that we lack compassion for each other.
The obesity crisis is definitely a product of the food industry. You still have to make the decision to go out and buy new clothes rather than change your eating habits.
Young fat people don't seem to be at all aware of the consequences. The people saying there's nothing unhealthy about being obese clearly aren't aware of the consequences.
You don't bring up people's weight in conversation because it's rude. This is exactly why society has to send the message. Putting fat people on the cover of fitness magazines sends the wrong message. Pretending Lizzo isn't disgusting sends the wrong message. A healthy society praises the ideal and stigmatizes the negative.
I've never said anything that indicates I look down on any group of people but liberals.
America is a meritocracy. Your idea that everyone is equal and outcomes should be equal is absolutely unamerican.
America has always had a safety net. America used to be a conservative Christian nation. Study after study has shown that conservatives and Christians are much more generous and charitable than liberals. We only need a government safety net now because there's so many people like you running around who are only generous with other people's money.
You absolutely have said things that indicate you look down on the groups of people I mentioned. From insulting the intelligence of an entire race of people to calling Lizzo disgusting just now. You sound awfully concerned about her health.
I don’t think that everyone deserves an equal outcome. I’ve literally never said that or implied it. I’m not a communist nor a socialist. I believe in a well regulated capitalism with winners and losers, but winners don’t have to win this much at the expense of the losers. The middle and lower classes will continue to be in decline until we can reign in capitalism. The democrats have been complicit with corporations running America (more than, even). The republicans don’t even think it’s a problem. They pretend to believe in supply side economics and laugh at people like you.
I give money pretty consistently to food banks and homeless shelters. Charity is not going to fix such a large systemic problem.
Lizzo is not “disgusting.” Looking down on fat people is.
Angry agip shows up just in time to try to divert attention away from agip’s asinine comments about people not wanting to live in red areas. 😂😂😂😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Go angry agip. 👍👍👍👍
First we had a little lesson in stupidity. Now we'll have one in insecurity AND stupidity:
Some of you guys are too insecure to admit more than "x" people disagree with you (even though you KNOW it's much, much greater than "x"). So, you PRETEND that it's x-y, because you're too insecure to handle the truth that many people disagree with you.
And what's that OTHER word I'm always helping you out with? Oh, that's right, PATHETIC.
I think I understand how you feel about Trump as a person. However, as a conservative, what Trump policies did you support the most?❓❓❓❓❓
Your words: "He's relevant only in your own mind."
100% objectively untrue/inaccurate. By a healthy fraction of 330 million. But yeah, you're close.
AND, like other Trumpers on this thread, PRETENDING that there aren't R politicians all over the country right now making it VERY clear to the mouth breathers that they're in lockstep with Trump so that they'll vote for them in the primaries. Yeah, you're right, it's just the crazy-leftist-radicals that are talking about him (a group that contains Liz Cheney, of course).
Here's a thought for you and Sally and the others: Maybe just stop at making bad arguments? Or shaky arguments? But stay away from the ABSURD arguments?
Just a thought.
Hi Agip unleased! No need to hide your second persona. We love them both. Nonequals allows Agip to behave a bit mischeviously. No need to pull punches.
AND, like other Trumpers on this thread, PRETENDING that there aren't R politicians all over the country right now making it VERY clear to the mouth breathers that they're in lockstep with Trump so that they'll vote for them in the primaries. Yeah, you're right, it's just the crazy-leftist-radicals that are talking about him (a group that contains Liz Cheney, of course).
Here's a thought for you and Sally and the others: Maybe just stop at making bad arguments? Or shaky arguments? But stay away from the ABSURD arguments?
Just a thought.
Trump's policies are very popular.
Being on Trump's side means not being on YOUR side.
People aren't voting for Trump they are voting against YOU. The never Trumper trash that infects the party.
DeSantis beats Trump in the polls because he's got Trump policies without the Trump character flaws.
On other topics I see that you've been accused of moving the goalposts. I guess it applies here, too. Big surprise.
Your words: "He's relevant only in your own mind."
100% objectively untrue/inaccurate. By a healthy fraction of 330 million. But yeah, you're close.
AND, like other Trumpers on this thread, PRETENDING that there aren't R politicians all over the country right now making it VERY clear to the mouth breathers that they're in lockstep with Trump so that they'll vote for them in the primaries. Yeah, you're right, it's just the crazy-leftist-radicals that are talking about him (a group that contains Liz Cheney, of course).
Here's a thought for you and Sally and the others: Maybe just stop at making bad arguments? Or shaky arguments? But stay away from the ABSURD arguments?
Just a thought.
No Trumpers here. Just conservatives who love this country and the rule of law.
I'm not condoning what he did, but I imagine that if he believes the J6 commission to be little more than a publicity stunt by democrats to drag the GOP through the mud, I would guess he wasn't particularly thrilled by the prospect of getting in front of them for any reason. He's not the first politician to lie to try and preserve his image.
I'd imagine he might have demanded an investigation on Mikie Sherrill because she was the one that made the claim that he did something wrong with the tour.
If the J6 Committee were "little more than a publicity stunt", five conservative Supreme Court Justices, including three appointed by Trump, would not have ordered the National Archive to release the Mark Meadows documents to the committee.
Whatever he believes does not matter if it is detached from reality.
Again, I specifically said that I wasn't condoning what he did. I agreed that he shouldn't have lied about the tour.
However, people's actions are derived from their beliefs. If he believes that something is a sham, he's going to treat it like it's a shame - regardless of whether it is or is not a sham.
But you stating that Trump is irrelevant is absolutely no less than saying that up is down and black is white.
F***** weird that someone would want to be seen as so stupid.
As I've also said before, it's kinda fun utterly destroying you. Too easy, but still enjoyable.
Trump gets his relevance from the media. Right wing media doesn't talk about him.
Only the leftists and people like you are still obsessed with Trump.
Again, just simply objectively untrue. As just one example, you know how many R politicians are running in primaries right now as dedicated Trumpers. But you pretend you don't. Dumb.
AND, like other Trumpers on this thread, PRETENDING that there aren't R politicians all over the country right now making it VERY clear to the mouth breathers that they're in lockstep with Trump so that they'll vote for them in the primaries. Yeah, you're right, it's just the crazy-leftist-radicals that are talking about him (a group that contains Liz Cheney, of course).
Here's a thought for you and Sally and the others: Maybe just stop at making bad arguments? Or shaky arguments? But stay away from the ABSURD arguments?
Just a thought.
No Trumpers here. Just conservatives who love this country and the rule of law.
"Inadvertent satire." An oldie but a goodie from the letsrun Trumpers.
you clowns keep trying to insist black is white and white is black
I mean look here. Blue areas create 70% of the wealth of the nation but we are going to be ruled over by the rubes who have flubbed up so badly that they produce just 29% of the wealth of the country. Just do us a favor and try to keep up, rubes.
The 2020 elections, chaotic and marked by races “too close to call,” have nonetheless reaffirmed that, at least in Washington, the two parties now speak for markedly different segments of the U.S. economy. President Donald Trump carried 2,497 counties across the country that together generate 29% of the American economy, according to a new study by the Brookings Institution. President-elect Joe Biden won 477 counties that together generate 70% of U.S. GDP. These differences, if they persist or worsen, could result in partisan gridlock for years to come, a researcher wrote.
