Democrats are embracing the move away from fossil fuels.
Yeah and we're paying through the nose for it. The world will depend on fossil fuels for a long time... and the more we produce the less we have to beg the worst dictators in the world for it.
I'm not afraid I'm uninterested. They're entirely partisan and they new what their conclusion was before they even started.
There's video of the entire thing... no one was armed but the cops. Of course, half the crowd was literally in the FBI so we haven't seen much of the video because they won't expose their instigators.
You're still waiting for Adam Schiff's evidence of Russian collusion aren't you? How many times do these idiots need to lie right to your face before you stop believing everything they declare without any evidence?
LOL!!!
Half the crowd was FBI. LOL!!!
In your world, the video says it all (if you ignore the parts you don't like). In your world, it doesn't matter who organized the coup. The details of the plot to overthrow the election don't matter. It doesn't matter that Trump tried to have Mike Pence killed.
This is why you are afraid to watch the hearings. You literally can't handle the truth.
One of many indications that a country may be doomed:
Somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of country can (rightfully) mock "Defund the police" at one moment, and condemn NO ONE associated with the perfectly clear, large, persistent, and violent attack on law enforcement at the Capitol the next.
Yea the Obama administration gave over $90 BILLION to their buddies in failed green energy scams. Dozens of companies and Tesla is pretty much the only one that didn't steal the money and disappear.
Evergreen Solar ($24 million)* SpectraWatt ($500,000)* Solyndra ($535 million)* Beacon Power ($69 million)* AES’s subsidiary Eastern Energy ($17.1 million) Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million) SunPower ($1.5 billion) First Solar ($1.46 billion) Babcock and Brown ($178 million) EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)* Amonix ($5.9 million) National Renewable Energy Lab ($200 million) Fisker Automotive ($528 million) Abound Solar ($374 million)* A123 Systems ($279 million)* Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($6 million) Johnson Controls ($299 million) Schneider Electric ($86 million) Brightsource ($1.6 billion) ECOtality ($126.2 million) Raser Technologies ($33 million)* Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)* Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)* Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)* Range Fuels ($80 million)* Thompson River Power ($6.4 million)* Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)* LSP Energy ($2.1 billion)* UniSolar ($100 million)* Azure Dynamics ($120 million)* GreenVolts ($500,000) Vestas ($50 million) LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($150 million) Nordic Windpower ($16 million)* Navistar ($10 million) Satcon ($3 million)*
All bankrupt.
Name one instance when wind or solar companies have been able to stand on their own without government funding;
of course government can favor one industry over another.
every nation does this. heck, your boy trump did this, over and over and over with his tariffs.
One of the jobs of gummint is to prevent the tragedy of the commons...the idea that if a common grassy area in a village is controlled by market forces, livestock would eat it all up and impoverish the village. Government has to control market forces to create long term growth and wealth.
Gummint's job is to help insure the long-term health of the nation. it's 100% clear that the era of carbon is on the way out. Gummint helping the nation get a boost and advantage over other nations is a core concept.
remember when repubs mocked Obama for supporting Tesla in its early days? Rs called Tesla a loser. Now look at it....one of the greatest companies ever to exist. Might not have happened without that seed money from Obama's WH.
From way back in 2009: 2009!!!!!!
Feds Lend Tesla $465 Million to Build Model S The Obama Administration will lend Tesla Motors $465 million to build an electric sedan and the battery packs needed to propel it. It’s one of three loans totaling almost $8 billion that the Department of Energy awarded today to spur the development of fuel-efficient vehicles. Energy Secretary Steven Chu announced that the Department of Energy […]
Until EV technology is ready for universal adoption and we already have just as many charge stations as gas stations plus a beefed up grid to handle the load, then we can say goodbye to fossil fuels. We are least 10 years way from that, probably 15 years.
Until that day comes, we must ramp up our domestic oil production so that we don't have our POTUS raiding our Strategic Petroleum Reserve and begging OPEC to increase production. We cannot remain dependent on other countries for our energy needs, especially when we have plenty of our own.
The two pronged approach is just common sense and there is no need to inject politics here. I hope our next POTUS adopts this energy strategy starting in Jan 2025.
ironic that gary thinks the WH controls oil production.
what we are facing is literally a failure of the free market. Literally a market failure. here's what happened:
We let private enterprise produce crude and refine it into gasoline. Free market, with some restraints sure.
these private companies decided drilling and refining wasn't worth the effort and risk. So they didn't do it.
And we are all now paying the price for their refusal to drill and refine.
And gary thinks this is a government failure. It's mostly a market failure.
It's a bit more complicated than that but that's the biggest piece. Oil companies pulled in their reins during COVID and haven't wanted to take more risk. This is the price we are paying for market failure.
The "FIRST ONE" you checked was 20 down the list eh?
"In September 2014, BrightSource ended its upcoming California projects, withdrawing its application for a solar thermal power plant at Palen, near Riverside. Biologists, Native American groups, and advocates for Joshua Tree National Park were concerned that the bright light and heat of the Palen project's heliostats would prove fatal for birds. The company shifted its focus to overseas projects.[25] In November 2014, Bright Source announced a joint venture with Shanghai Electric to build "utility scale solar thermal projects," and proposed the "construction of two 135 megawatt (MW) CSP plants as part of the Qinghai Delingha Solar Thermal Power Generation Project."[26] In March 2016, it was confirmed that BrightSource is supplying technology to Ashalim Power Station.[27] In September 2016, BrightSource signed a deal to sell its Ivanpah solar farm technology to a Chinese project owned by a state-run energy company.[28] Arnold Goldman, the founder of BrightSource, died in 2017.[29] In 2020 it was reported that the main telephone number of BrightSource was directed to voicemail and that the most recent announcement on the website was from 2017."
Yes, the world is dependent on crude oil. That doesn't mean it has to be that way forever.
But Republicans are setting out to make sure that we continue as slaves to oil and gas.
Republicans will lose this battle eventually. Gas cars are dying and EVs are taking over. EVs will win no matter who is elected. It's just a question of whether we embrace the future or try to fight it.
It doesn't have to be forever with oil. We MUST allow the new technology to expand and get adopted via market forces. We cannot allow a government to step in and pick sides.
You cannot punish one industry before the new technology is ready to be used universally and before the infrastructure has already been put into place. We are jumping the gun here. Until EVs have ubiquitous charging stations in every town, city, etc we cannot continue to hamper our domestic oil production.
You are not using common sense here.
You mean the government shouldn't have built roads until the roads were already built?
You have to build out infrastructure to allow the new technology to flourish. That means the government does have a role in building out charging. It has a role in supporting battery manufacturing. It also has a role in helping citizens buy a used EV. In the early days of EVs, it was good that there were EV subsidies to help companies like Tesla get started.
Sometimes the government has to pick winners and losers. Otherwise, we lose out to other nations who are willing to embrace newer, better technology. For instance, we don't want to let China dominate EV manufacturing and sourcing of raw materials used in battery production.
It's time to phase out oil and gas. The government's role is to see that the transition goes smoothly so everyone can benefit.
Democrats are embracing the move away from fossil fuels.
Yeah and we're paying through the nose for it. The world will depend on fossil fuels for a long time... and the more we produce the less we have to beg the worst dictators in the world for it.
The less we need oil, the less we have to deal with the dictators.
We can get off of oil and gas very quickly. And that's exactly what is happening.
The "FIRST ONE" you checked was 20 down the list eh?
"In September 2014, BrightSource ended its upcoming California projects, withdrawing its application for a solar thermal power plant at Palen, near Riverside. Biologists, Native American groups, and advocates for Joshua Tree National Park were concerned that the bright light and heat of the Palen project's heliostats would prove fatal for birds. The company shifted its focus to overseas projects.[25] In November 2014, Bright Source announced a joint venture with Shanghai Electric to build "utility scale solar thermal projects," and proposed the "construction of two 135 megawatt (MW) CSP plants as part of the Qinghai Delingha Solar Thermal Power Generation Project."[26] In March 2016, it was confirmed that BrightSource is supplying technology to Ashalim Power Station.[27] In September 2016, BrightSource signed a deal to sell its Ivanpah solar farm technology to a Chinese project owned by a state-run energy company.[28] Arnold Goldman, the founder of BrightSource, died in 2017.[29] In 2020 it was reported that the main telephone number of BrightSource was directed to voicemail and that the most recent announcement on the website was from 2017."
Yeah and we're paying through the nose for it. The world will depend on fossil fuels for a long time... and the more we produce the less we have to beg the worst dictators in the world for it.
The less we need oil, the less we have to deal with the dictators.
We can get off of oil and gas very quickly. And that's exactly what is happening.
We can produce more AND use less. There will be tons of demand around the world for a very long time.
We will absolutely not get off oil and gas quickly. We're also paying for our lack of investment in nuclear (thanks Dems).
The "FIRST ONE" you checked was 20 down the list eh?
"In September 2014, BrightSource ended its upcoming California projects, withdrawing its application for a solar thermal power plant at Palen, near Riverside. Biologists, Native American groups, and advocates for Joshua Tree National Park were concerned that the bright light and heat of the Palen project's heliostats would prove fatal for birds. The company shifted its focus to overseas projects.[25] In November 2014, Bright Source announced a joint venture with Shanghai Electric to build "utility scale solar thermal projects," and proposed the "construction of two 135 megawatt (MW) CSP plants as part of the Qinghai Delingha Solar Thermal Power Generation Project."[26] In March 2016, it was confirmed that BrightSource is supplying technology to Ashalim Power Station.[27] In September 2016, BrightSource signed a deal to sell its Ivanpah solar farm technology to a Chinese project owned by a state-run energy company.[28] Arnold Goldman, the founder of BrightSource, died in 2017.[29] In 2020 it was reported that the main telephone number of BrightSource was directed to voicemail and that the most recent announcement on the website was from 2017."
Are you not familiar with what bankruptcy is? They went bankrupt AFTER getting handouts from the government. The fact that they went bankrupt and survived isn't the victory you seem to think it is.
The first one is thriving so much it doesn't operate in America, hasn't updated it's website in 5 years and can't be contacted by phone... lol.
The "FIRST ONE" you checked was 20 down the list eh?
"In September 2014, BrightSource ended its upcoming California projects, withdrawing its application for a solar thermal power plant at Palen, near Riverside. Biologists, Native American groups, and advocates for Joshua Tree National Park were concerned that the bright light and heat of the Palen project's heliostats would prove fatal for birds. The company shifted its focus to overseas projects.[25] In November 2014, Bright Source announced a joint venture with Shanghai Electric to build "utility scale solar thermal projects," and proposed the "construction of two 135 megawatt (MW) CSP plants as part of the Qinghai Delingha Solar Thermal Power Generation Project."[26] In March 2016, it was confirmed that BrightSource is supplying technology to Ashalim Power Station.[27] In September 2016, BrightSource signed a deal to sell its Ivanpah solar farm technology to a Chinese project owned by a state-run energy company.[28] Arnold Goldman, the founder of BrightSource, died in 2017.[29] In 2020 it was reported that the main telephone number of BrightSource was directed to voicemail and that the most recent announcement on the website was from 2017."
Yeah and we're paying through the nose for it. The world will depend on fossil fuels for a long time... and the more we produce the less we have to beg the worst dictators in the world for it.
The less we need oil, the less we have to deal with the dictators.
We can get off of oil and gas very quickly. And that's exactly what is happening.
The US has enough oil and gas to produce 100% of our needs.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
What's happening is diaper boy attacked production and now he's begging OPEC for oil.
President Joe Biden’s latest policy push has us doing not just a double take but a triple take: The man who’s put roadblock after roadblock in the way of North American energy companies.
nah well sorta. in fact the manner of how you are wrong is ironic, because the only way we could produce enough oil for 100% of our needs is government assistance.
Once the price of oil goes below $50 or $60, where it often is, we can't produce oil at a profit within our borders. So we'd need the government to subsidize oil companies, or something like that. Otherwise the companies will do what they are doing now...not produce out of risk control. or go bankrupt.
Plus, there's all different kinds of oil that are needed and we don't make produce some of them.
The less we need oil, the less we have to deal with the dictators.
We can get off of oil and gas very quickly. And that's exactly what is happening.
We can produce more AND use less. There will be tons of demand around the world for a very long time.
We will absolutely not get off oil and gas quickly. We're also paying for our lack of investment in nuclear (thanks Dems).
We can produce more oil, but the oil companies don't want to.
I sort of agree with you about nuclear. I don't think it will ever be cost effective to build new plants, but we do need to spend more to upkeep the plants we have and finish the ones under construction.
The transition off oil and gas is already happening fast. But by fast I mean we will use very little of it within 20 years. Unfortunately, that may cause supply problems as investors stop spending money on long term gas and oil projects. Transitions are never easy.
nah well sorta. in fact the manner of how you are wrong is ironic, because the only way we could produce enough oil for 100% of our needs is government assistance.
Once the price of oil goes below $50 or $60, where it often is, we can't produce oil at a profit within our borders. So we'd need the government to subsidize oil companies, or something like that. Otherwise the companies will do what they are doing now...not produce out of risk control. or go bankrupt.
Plus, there's all different kinds of oil that are needed and we don't make produce some of them.
That was before shale oil was a thing...
Shale oil breaks even between $30-$50 with technology driving that number lower every day.
The average price of a barrel of since 2010 is over $70.
You're telling me I'm wrong while being completely wrong... lol.
This is America, just because they still exist doesn't mean they didn't go bankrupt at some point.
well sure but I don't think that's the case here. Johnson Controls? Enormous company.
The rube got his facts from some biased right-wing source and won't retract or step back.
He's the problem, not me.
Obama's green energy subsidies were a DISASTER. The only reason you don't know this is because you get all of your information from biased left-wing sources...
You won't find many articles criticals of Democrat policy in the leftist main stream media.
You're like a person who knows literally nothing about someone but what their ex-wife told them...
Geez, your insults are so repetitive and unimaginative. If you're going to be a flaming a-hole, at least be better at it.....I guess.
And, of course, nothing substantive whatsoever in your reply.
Bottom line: You're a guy who still thinks (or whatever one might call it) the election was stolen. Holy f***. That alone (and there's so much more) means that the rest of us have wasted a ridiculously huge amount of time talking to you. So, we ARE morans in that respect.
Stop demonstrating that you're an imbecile every day and the insults will get less repetitive,
Stop lying about being a "conservative".
You've yet to make a "substantive" post. It shouldn't shock that replies to your mindless drivel aren't substantive either.
The first sentence of your post was an insult to everyone who disagrees with you. And here you are whining about insults...
If you weren't so GD stupid these things might not be so baffling to you... lol.
Again, nothing substantive. You're one of those flaming a***** who might have grown up around a few people dumber than you. This deceived you into thinking you were smart. Sorry. But I've seen a lot of your kind of people in my life. You're far from alone, if that's any consolation.
