Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

Good spot, done.

Haha, they truly are all over the place. This is a match made in heaven.

something to do with the camber apparently. But is it really necessary to wear the best racing flats in the world for this sort of thing? The added assault of the calves alone is provocative. Stocky £90 trainers would do a solid job, all those shoes looked like £250 models.

But money no option if they're sponsored, although he seemed to trash them verbally as well as physically. An appalling commercial indeed for these types of shoes.

Another oddity!

I saw him post with AlphaFlys on on the final day. I've never run anywhere close to 3,000 miles... but IMO they're not very comfy or supportive at the best of times.. never mind after that many miles! The last thing I'd want on my feet, especially when running 12:00/mi's

We had a guy do Jogle last year and he only wore the carbon plated top of the range stuff because I fear he didn't know any different and thought that 250 quid is what running shoes cost. I've recently bought a beautiful pair online for 75 and they get me 3:22s in 1k reps, about to turn 50... it's enough!

This guy shot for 11 days at Jogle, I advised him to go for 15, he chided me and said: "I could get really angry with you, because you don't know me..." He got 31 days. But at least he had the best shoes in the world on his feet.

After reading this whole overly long thread I've concluded that anyone still maintaining that Goodge has legitimately run the Transcon must be a part of his so-called team. Smoking gun or not, this is such an obvious fraud that there simply is no reasonable doubt. The guy is a straight-up scam, as are his support people. There is no other possible explanation.

My concluding theory is that there really is no reason to watch mule or swap whatsoever. Its messy to have one runner drop off the course and have the 2nd keep running. A much less obvious cheat method is for Goodge to run the front half and Balenger drive his pick up truck down the road and collect the 2nd half of data. Nobody is looking for a member of the crew running alone 25 miles further down the road. Then they merge the two sets of data.

By the way, did anyone notice how Robbie made a point of paying honor to all the other ultra runners that paved the way in that final video?. Was that not blatantly forced and disingenuous after spending camera time laughing about how they were the best in the world and this thing was f**king easy? Ridiculing WillC as being an old timer. That tells me 100% sure they were paying attention to the critics here.

Okay fine. Then what is the low HR about? Why not pick up that other runners HR when merging data?

Recruiter57, I told you all the pro Goodge people didn't just disappear because of some kind of aggressive debating. They saw the mountain of evidence stacking up and changed their mind!

Now I am in the camp that believes you are genuine, rather than the camp that think you are an accomplice to the scam. Why? Well, because I like to see the good in people too!

But we live in a world that is lead by people who pursue wars that kill many innocent people, and the environment is being destroyed to point that it may endanger our existance, all while billions of people live in extreme poverty and billionaires live a life of luxury. So it's clear that there is also a lot of bad in people, and we must stop giving people the benefit of the doubt at some point.

There is not any evidence that you are an accomplice to a scam and so your character deserves the benefit of any doubt. There is however a mountain of evidence that a grave scam has been commited. And it's an irrefutable fact that a huge lie is being told with the bogus claim of a UK Transcon record.

Surely you can at least condemn Goodge for claiming the British record when he knows that he did not beat Lees?!

Thanks for chipping in, appreciate the input.

Meanwhile WGs company, the Movement Blueprint and business partner have Insta'd it was:

A mission for the greater good.

A true representation of courage, grit, focus and resilience.

An inspiration like no other.

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Heady words... move over Nelson Mandela. However, when numerous people commented about the fake record claim they just got deleted and blocked.

They claim that of all the transatlantic rowers, ultra endurance athletes and world record holders that the company has worked with, that "nobody comes close to Will."

- or rocks will be thrown

Good to hear. I'm free too, and willing to run across Europe at the same time and same pace. I can catch rocks and throw them back in the direction they came from!

This is one of the most important stats for me. At the start of this run I was about 80% sure it was a fraud. But the fact that Goodge was boasting about being a pro ultra runner means that he does feasably have the time to get up to a 50 mile a day level. I don't believe this is world class, and if a decent multi day runner is able to give up the day job to train full time, then 50 miles a day is realistic.

However Goodge then boasts that he's did less than 2000 miles all week before then doing 2000 in 40 days!? That means that he trained for less than 40 miles a week in order to run over 50 miles a day!!

I'm sorry, but if anybody believes that this is possible then they know nothing about ultrarunning. It's pure fantasy.

And this begs the question: why has Goodge been such a lazy sh*t, running less than 40 miles a week, if he is training full time for a 50 mile a day Transcon?!

He should have had a chance to genuinely beat Lees given all the free time he had to train - if he was at least an average multiday runner.

I think the fact he hasn't bothered to train properly proves that he knows he is actually well below average, and this run was planned to be an elaborate scam from day 1.

So....Jeez this thread is a grind.

This guy is clearly a fraud and what an ahole

There are three gods of

Kostelnick (THE fastest)

Pope (FORREST F....in GUMP)

Sunnesson (The dude is 70 and he's still trucking)

There may be more too, so apologies if I missed somone, but what did this guy do? Run across, pretty quickly but do NOTHING OF NOTE apart from maybe cheat (and if he did may he get crippling arthritis as retribution).

How do we f this guy up (charity phony, right?) and make this right?

He knew he needed to go into it fairly fit, sharp and peppy, but that is all, because the format is now all so well drilled. And the supreme confidence to know for sure they'd be absolutely fine at 50s is very odd and jarring. Just like Balenger making a wild prediction that he could run 240 in 72 hours with no evidence to back it up. He was toast by around 16 hours, that's clear from the film.

And then, after about 15 days, WG's long "f*cking maggots" speech to camera, where he categorically stated that he was going to now run waaaaaayyy quicker than 64, just to piss us all off.

The offensive rhetoric to the community cooled off after that. I expect someone had a word.

You are absolutely correct. There are those that have succumbed to the weight of thoughts on here.

I appreciate you seeing me not as a shill (just had to use that word in a sentence 😂) but as someone who their own opinions about this journey.

And, yes, I do not agree with any claims of being the fastest Brit. Please correct me if I’m off since I do have subscriptions to all of the British papers that have written about this, but in the couple I could read, I did not see a quote from WG exclaiming himself as the fastest Brit. I’ve seen the news orgs say it, probably because it was on the truck and in the launch material. That’s just lazy reporting from those orgs to do cross check those facts. If he were/does say that, it would be absolutely false. I don’t believe in the word smithing that Lees “just” walked it so it is a different record.

I hope your running adventures take you to amazing places. I’m following along via Strava ! Be well!

Hi Will,

I have been following this thread as I have been waiting for the gotcha moment but it doesn't look like we are going to get that. Wanting to play devils advocate here about the HR data, which feels like a huge part of the 'evidence' suggesting this run was a fraud. One of your key points has always been that you no one else shows HR data like Will's in terms of the very low avg.

I recently ended up on Aleksandr Sorokin's Strava who we all know is light years ahead of Will in running ability but is an interesting case study for a couple of reasons:
- This morning he ran 33k at 4:32 /km with an avg HR of 112 this is in the realms of 'not showing a pulse' and is running about 3-4 mins /km faster than Will did
- on 27/05 he was a pace maker doing 10k at 6:00 / km boasting an average HR of 94. Again this is a pace at 2 mins /km faster than Will usually averages but might be quite comparable in terms of effort considering Aleksandr's top end.

I know the above data points are not directly comparable to the 50-60mi days and the athletes are of completely different standards but does show an interesting example of this low HR running being very possible.

Fair enough, he hasn't been quoted in those articles claiming the British record himself. Although you'd imagine they would check details with him.

But both Puresport and The Movement Blueprint instagram pages are claiming British records and WG actually works for them (Brand Manager and coach). I left a comment on the MB insta page with just a link to John Lees Wikipedia page and this was swiftly deleted and I was blocked.