Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

Actually appears it was not Russian.

Pics of the missile indicate it is a type Russia no longer uses.

Per people who actually know about this stuff.

And, recent videos (within the last 2 weeks) show Russian vehicles driving around with this type of missile. Per people who actually know about this stuff.

That's not so.

You are either lying or have fallen for propaganda.

Why would Russia use out of date missiles when it has up to date one?

Try some common sense.

Believe the Russians at your own risk:

"An open-source investigative news site, the Belarusian Hajun project, twice published videos of Russian military columns marked with a letter "V" moving toward the Ukrainian border, on March 5 and March 30. The first column included "at least 30" and the second "at least 8 Tochka-U" systems, the site tweeted."

polygraph.info

Suspect Claim by Russia on Rockets That Killed Fleeing Civilians

Fatima Tlis

In fact, reports say Russian forces do possess the Tochka-U missile system, and videos show that it was trucked into Ukraine.

Link:www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-russia...

They’re running low on munitions. Russia is using inexperienced soldiers and making tactical blunders all over. You are a simpleton like 2600 bad wig.

The Russians were more than happy to take credit for the attack on the train station when they thought they had hit a military target. It was only when they realized that they hit civilians that their story changed.

"Some initial reports on Russia state media said the missile fired at Kramatorsk hit a military transport target. Subsequently Moscow denied responsibility for the strike. It then blamed Ukrainian forces."

theguardian.com

Russia accused of ‘monstrous’ war crime in Kramatorsk station attack

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/lukeharding,https://www.theguardian.com/profile/shaun-walker

Volodymyr Zelenskiy likens missile strike to Bucha atrocities after dozens die at train station where civilians were being evacuated to safety

Link:www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/08/...

If Russians happen to have some old missiles, they may as well dispose of them launching them on Ukraine. Cheaper than spending a lot of money for decommissioning. Seems common sense.

Well, we've already established that most Russians, especially those in the military, aren't very smart, so maybe they're just too stupid to not use the new ones?

I mean, we're more than 5 weeks into this war, and the Russians still haven't figured out basic tactics, like combining armored columns with infantry and air support, as evidenced by this beautiful video from the past day or so. Drone spotted artillery decimating Russian column for at least the 100th time since Russia invaded.

Also, why did Russian troops dig trenches in a radioactive forest? Because they're not that smart. How much more proof do you need?

Russiagate fell apart when it became clear that Russian disinformation efforts around the 2016 election were so idiotic and pathetic that it was obvious they had no influence over the election and no control over Trump. The Russian attempts to spread disinformation about its crimes in Ukraine are equally inept.

Russia has engaged in precisely the same pattern of disinformation since its intervention in the Syrian war. Time and time again, Russia would attack a hospital or other civilian target (and even do a "double tap" where they would attack a second time, targeting White Helmets/rescue crews). In the aftermath, Russia would deny that they were responsible and claim that the rebels carried out the attack in an effort to try to win western support. It is happening again with the attacks in Ukraine, including claims that Azov bombed the maternity hospital.

In the case of the train station attack, Russia actually got caught in real time trying to mount a disinformation campaign to blame Ukraine for the attack. At first, Russian
Telegram channel Siloviki prematurely published information that Russians are “working on a cluster of armed forces of Ukraine at Kramatorsk railway station” and celebrated casualties among Ukrainian combatants. A few minutes after the initial post, they edited it, presumably after reports of civilian casualties proliferated. In the edited post, they said that when the Kramatorsk railway station was hit, “It was possibly a Tochka-U [missile] that the Armed Forces of Ukraine use.” Both posts were subsequently deleted, but the original post and the edited message were archived as a forwarded message on another pro-Kremlin channel. Another pro-Kremlin Telegram channel, Veteran Notes, published an ominous message on the evening of April 7, suggesting people who evacuate from Kramatorsk and Sloviansk not use railway transport.

The biggest problem is that the bomb has "for the children" written on it, which is a clear reference to an 8 year long Russian internal propaganda campaign in which it claimed that children in the Donbas region were being murdered by Ukraine forces. "For the children" has been regularly invoked by Russian forces as meaning seeking vengeance for all the children of Donbas who Russia claims were killed by Ukraine forces.

At least with COVID deniers and anti-vaxxers, the disinformation they gobbled up was varied and came from different angles. Russia's disinformation about Ukraine is just the same exact pattern over and over again. It is like they aren't even trying and are just going through the motions so they can clock out of work and go drink vodka.

atlanticcouncil.org

Russian War Report: Russia makes false claims while blaming Ukraine for Kramatorsk railway station attack

ebaker

After missiles struck near Kramatorsk, Ukraine railway station, Russia tried to blame Ukraine for attacking its own people, a narrative pro-Kremlin media ran with.

Link:www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atla...

How bananas do you have to be to believe that Ukraine decided to bomb its own train station?

they never did that. Only complete ibecele would believe that ukrainian fake

why not

they look for russian atrocities to ask for more weapons and sanctions against russia, when they can't find any they create those

and it's their train station likely will become russian shortly. so perfect target

Carmine are you in here rooting for Russia? That’s classic.

Who do you work for?

Carmen, Jamin, and 2600 Bad Wig are Russian trolls/puppets.

Hmmm.. whom to believe? Multiple videos from both on the ground and drones and satellite imagery showing evidence of Russian troops digging in the Red Forest, or some third-tier Russian troll calling it all a Ukrainian fake?

Makes sense.