Did I?
A lot of accusations there and not a lot of evidence.
Did you study logic, or the art of assumption?
Did I?
A lot of accusations there and not a lot of evidence.
Did you study logic, or the art of assumption?
lol Coevett pwned
This just aint true. In Norway you will be left in total disgrace if caught with doping, while in lots of other countries the philosophy is that its just bad luck if you get caught as close to everyone are doing the same thing. A positive doping test would place you among the scum in society, which is one of the main reason why doping on the highest level is so rare in this country; the personal costs if caught with your pants down is simply too high.
Aaleby wrote:
This just aint true. In Norway you will be left in total disgrace if caught with doping, while in lots of other countries the philosophy is that its just bad luck if you get caught as close to everyone are doing the same thing. A positive doping test would place you among the scum in society, which is one of the main reason why doping on the highest level is so rare in this country; the personal costs if caught with your pants down is simply too high.
+1
This is true.
I reckon it would take one investigative journalist to find a clear link between - say Said Aouita - and doping. We know that British journalists, probably the most relentless and thorough in the world when they smell a bone, have been trying to dig dirt on Seb Coe for decades (not to mention Russia's intelligence service) and found nothing. Zilch.
I doubt very much the Moroccan general public would care. It would hardly be a story there, and the same for El G. In fact Aouita was able to easily get a job with the Moroccan athletics federation as national coach straight being chased out of Australia for pressurizing athletes to take HGH. Can you imagine that happening anywhere else (aside from a corrupt Third World country)?
Also, if just one Ingebrigtsen was found dirty, it would essentially be the end for all of them. The Ingebrigtsens probably get tested more than the entire Kenyan team for Doha.
The 90s were dirty enough in many developed countries that many East German coaches were kept after the unification and often stayed in their positions until retirement. Of course, after the Krabbe etc. scandal in the early 1990s there was not another big scandal. But one can probably assume that some of the "safer" methods endured at least for a while and in some groups. And while this was a special case, I doubt the rest of Eastern Europe and lots of Western Europe was much better.
One other point against the whole Ingebrigtsens are just cheaters accusation; Gjert just couldnt have the money to pull it through. In years and years to come they hardly had any significant income and lived compared to normal Norwegian condition a fairly cheap life where Gjert tried to get the outmost out of the money spent training wise.
It would be totally madness to train that hard for so many years and then risk it all by
It just doesnt match up and to think Gjert in the same time would manage to hide the excessive doping of his three young sons, one just a child, in a country that followed every step of the family with curious eyes, in a country where anti-doping is taken really serious and you get controlled all year along.
It would have been pure madness to train that hard over so many years and then risk the future of the entire family by trying to deceive the system when the chances of getting caught in the process would have been sky high.
I "love" these statements. Not just part of a culture used to conspiracy thinking, using mechanical reasoning, but also without a shred of empirical evidens. "Obviously aren't clean" ? Is this a kind of trumpian insight or a kind of "knowledge" which is Heavenly inspired? It goes like this: It can't be, therefore it is'nt. I especially like "I know it". No courses in Logic and Knowledge Theory at American colleges? And no knowledge of Norway and the rigourous testing regime? Well, well: You never know, you know.
There are some rather naive arguments being advanced for why athletes like the Ingebrigstens couldn't be doping. To say that in some countries (like Norway) sports doping could have a greater stigma than in other countries, while possibly being true, may only affect the incidence of doping and not the fact that it will occur. Indeed, rigorous anti-doping in such countries, while it will inhibit the practice also implicitly recognises that some athletes will choose to dope, given the opportunity. No country is without crime, and doping is somewhat akin to white collar crime to the extent it reflects ethical choices - or lapses, more accurately. Is there any country that has no such crime? I don't think so. Similarly, there will be dopers anywhere you choose to look.
Nor is it a practice that requires wealth, as we see that doping has been especially prevalent in countries where wealth is only for the few.
It may seem a little hard to swallow but it doesn't really take much to dope; simply the desire to succeed. Any athlete will have that. Even, I dare say, the Ingebrigstens.
Jingy is clean, and his going to whoop ass in 5000k against the supposed greats
It's not "Natural Talent", it's drugs.
This whole thread smell the inferiority complexes of the western against historic performances of East African.
You are making a match of soccer where the result is a defeat of 10 to 1.
Consult your statistics.
1) Jakob Ingebrigtsen is almost 23 years old and he still hasn't broken any relevant middle distance WR (1500m, mile, 2000m) so there is no way he could do that at the age of 21 as you mention. Time is not reversable.
2) Kenyan and Ethiopian dominance concern the long distances (half marathon and, overall, even more, marathon). In middle distance running there are many other countries that can be considered almost as equally good such Morocco, Great Britain and Norway.
So the question should only be raised for the marathon and very long distances in general: why Kenya dominates and the other country that can only try to follow them is Ethiopia? Why there is no European, or australian athlete who can run a 2h03'-2h04' marathon??
It's pretty simple. The pool of short and skinny men who try out running seriously is way bigger in many African countries compared to Europe.
This is exactly what i think.
-Way larger number of running people
-Long distance running as national sport (as football is for Europe)
-particularly favorable enviroment (altitude)
-simple, light and healthy nutrition
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