Middle schoolers who protested trans athlete in girls shotput competition banned from next competition. lawsuit filed

So if a 13 year old girl wants and makes the choice to have sex with a 30 year old man....

I'm so sick of competitive niceness and authoritarian empathy. Children are being put on medications that adversely affect their brain development, bone density, etc. Girls and women are losing hard-won rights to compete in sports on a level playing field. Girls and women have also had males walking around their locker rooms with their penises and testicles exposed. Male rapists have been put in female prisons.

It doesn't matter how many girl-identified boys are involved in shot put, just as it doesn't matter if the only doper in a competition got 5th place.

I'm absolutely fed up with people like you. Your ability to compete in sport as you currently do is wholly dependent on things such as Title IX and the Second Wave feminist movement that you so glibly dismiss. You'll realize this after you destroy all of the policies and norms that allow you to live under relatively equal conditions with men. Or maybe you're sufficiently privileged that you'll never have to suffer the consequences of the ideas you're foisting on the rest of society. You have what Rob Henderson aptly named "luxury beliefs."

I assume you're an (actual) female from your username. Would you be happy if you were the 49th runner in a regional or the 8th on your team, displaced from competition by a biological male?

Well, that makes him even a better person to cite. Even some one concerned about gays transed away admits that there are more lesbians and bisexuals among the younger generation. He is definitely not a homophobic trans activist.

Is this why "self-hating regressive misogynists" like Gloria Steinem and Billie Jean King support trans rights?

Maybe they are a bit too young to understand how hard it was for women to earn their rights to compete in sports. /s

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No human with ovotesticular DSD or any other DSD has "both sets," though. That's true whether you're using "both sets" to refer to gonads or to the external body parts commonly known as the genitals.

People with DSDs are male or female just like the rest of us. The fact that some individuals with DSDs have ambiguous or atypical physical characteristics that mean some extra investigations are needed to determine for certain which sex category they properly belong in for medical purposes - and for areas like competitive sports - doesn't mean they aren't male or female.

It also doesn't mean people with DSDs are a hybrid of both sexes like you contend. Even people with ovotesticular DSD can be slotted into one or the other of two sex categories in the situations when it's necessary to do so.

The existence of edge cases doesn't undermine or refute the fact that there are two sexes.

Also, trying to make people with DSDs seem so totally different to rest of us by spreading the falsehood that some DSDs make people so physically peculiar, perplexing and utterly unfathomable that they can't be categorized as male or female - and by using the offensive, dehumanizing term "hermaphrodite" for them - just makes the lives of people affected by DSDs more difficult than it has to be.

Living with a DSDs or having a child or other loved one with a a DSD is hard enough as it is. Spreading misinformation about DSDs in our species and the people who have them like you're doing only sows more confusion and serves to stigmatize, other, "monster" people with these rare medical conditions.

You're also not helping shed light light on DSDs, or showing compassion for the families affected, by the cavalier way you speak about the cruel past practice of doctors in the Western world operating on babies and children with DSDs - "snip snip" as you put it - under the false premise sold to worried parents that some children with DSDs "can be changed [from] one to the other" sex and that their atypical-appearing but otherwise healthy reproductive organs require some kind of"medical solution" or "fix."

Do you not get that many of the "bullies" you are citing really think what is being done to this child is child abuse.

There is the issue of fair sport but there is also the issue and belief that this idea the child was born in the wrong body is leading to child abuse.

Countries across Europe are now hitting the breaks on puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgeries for minors. Why? Because the evidence supporting it is lacking and the end result is pretty drastic if taken to the extreme. The child will be infertile, and without genitalia. If this child was a female to begin with the child would be without breasts and never have a functioning penis.

Yet we're supposed to believe this is the best outcome for them? Caitlyn Jenner is free to do what she wants. However, we generally don't let minors do major medical procedures without sound medicine supporting it.

And there is the logic that most of realize this child wasn't born in the wrong body. We could just as easily say gender stereotypes don't match the child. Until about 5 years ago the thinking was we change the gender stereotypes not the "sex" of the child.

Have you ever thought about the risk of NOT allowing minors to transition? How many kids do you think should suffer from depression, withdraw from school and society in general or attempt suicide?

Have you ever thought why so many trans people used to engage in sex work or in other "adult entertainment" industry or become homeless?

Yeah, socially withdrawn and depressed kids don't participate in sports. A dead person does not walk into a public bathroom. So mission accomplished, right? Some German guy used to call it the "final solution."

You're right, they don't decide who's eligible......but THEY do decide if they want to compete under unfair conditions. These young ladies chose well and will hopefully give other young ladies the courage to make tough decisions such as the ones they did.

Five years ago? This interview is 14 years old.

FFS, Hobby Jogger, please stop. It's May 2024 and you're still using the same old tired, clichéd trans activist talking points and tropes from 2018. No reasonable adult who's genuinely concerned about kids/young adults and has been paying careful attention to events related to "youth gender medicine" across the Western world - and most recently in the UK - is falling for the BS you keep shoveling anymore.

The jig's up. The truth is out. Read the Cass Report. Here's a link:

As the Cass report and other deep dives and systemtic reviews of "gender affirming care" for youth all show, there is no credible evidence that allowing children and adolescents to socially "transition" and then putting them on so-called "puberty blockers" or other gonad inhibiting drugs and cross-sex hormones - and removing their healthy body parts - reduces young people's depression and anxiety, improves their self-image, makes it more likely for them to stay in school, causes them to fit in better with their peers, and lowers their likelihood of self-harm, social withdrawal, and suicide.

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Final Report

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On the contrary, the Cass report found that even "social transition" tends to be more harmful than helpful.

In this interview, Andrew Doyle - an author, journalist, comedian, former teacher and "gender critical" gay man who's always been on the "progressive left" - gives a good overview of the Cass report:

I have no idea why they're willing to throw women under the bus. Maybe because people reap rewards from supporting the status quo?

Jail time for the coach and judge heytens.

i tuned out when you wrote one sentence says "male or female," next sentence says "ambiguous or atypical physical characteristics." to then pretend to be the one "shedding light" or "compassionate" is fake fake fake. how on earth is denying reality compassion.

i respect a tiny bit concern over what percentage wish they could reverse, or whether some of the treatments have side effects. that is actual science. but based on your rhetorical games and filibustering, i don't think you give a darn if they could do this thing if it is seen as safe. i think you are looking for any excuse to tell a kid who wants something to happen, not to do it. it's compassionate in roughly the same sense as sending your kid to some psychological torture camp to reverse them being gay.

it vaguely reminds me of an in law who talks about things like small hyrdaulic leaks on wind farms like they should convert me, as though BP and the valdez never happened with oil. rarely is anything purely good. you have to net out the good and bad. i think trying to stop the ones who have no second thoughts because 1% have some regrets is crazed, is basically looking beneath any rock for an excuse. you probably have higher rates of folks who regret having a boob augment. please.

and your podcast length lectures miss my basic point. there are in fact intersex kids who aren't neatly going to fit in a box. regardless what you think of trans. your idea of compassion sounds like telling them they can't compete, or have to be a boy for meets, even if they have presented in school for years as girls.

re the CASS study, it was a meta-analysis of other studies that operated by saying it wouldn't count the vast majority of studies it reviewed. folks who read it tend to misunderstand it, as it actually favors "birth-registered males, whose gender incongruence started in early childhood, [using puberty blockers] to pass in adult life by preventing the irreversible changes of male puberty."

in other words, it says do it early if at all. the study is then routinely noted for folks to argue don't do it, which is the opposite of suggested for that category. those folks typically say save it until 18 or never. which is the opposite what the study really says.

a lot of what the reviewers decided was there aren't enough high quality studies or followup data to really decide. they were thus conservative what to do medically about the situation. that's not so much a "bad idea" as a "we don't know." if you understand science-ese.

the "gays are being transed away" scare tactics are lame. if i as a straight dude pondered if i was a boob or legs man, liked this or that appearance, so i could find my ideal, then maybe it is not some sort of plot if a person who discovers they like the same sex, sits down and sorts out the whole gay/trans/nonbinary thing.

people are also not acknowledging, as with the track stuff, that this issue had been locked away in closets for centuries, and if we are suddenly seeing the complexity, well, the closet done got kicked open, and folks have to sort out their reality in the open now.

last, glenn greenwald is a confused mess who at times seems to prove my theory an extreme libertarian looks a lot like an anti-corporate super lefty, at the far edges. wasn't he the one who released all sorts of government intelligence secrets via chelsea manning?