Coach Drenth has had disordered eating surrounding his program at both ASU and MSU for his entire career and so has Corey Ihmels at both Boise and Iowa state. Both are respected coaches by many. Any investigations into either of these programs would have resulted into many firings.
I'm going to bookmark this thread to come back to when it's discovered that sum of seven body composition stuff was all junk science and doesn't actually enhance performance at all. So many broken bodies and minds over it for nothing.
I'll store it in the litany of junk science fads that running has always had that we swore by and later discovered didn't work.
What the heck?
That's exactly what the investigation showed! Jesus h. Roosevelt.
Moving forward, teams still can do "sum-of-seven" testing but there will be limitations.
RW wrote:
In the athletic department’s summary of the findings, officials announced that while sum-of-seven testing will resume at the university, they’ll enact enhanced policies to increase support for athletes. The updated guidelines specify that, among other safeguards, athletes must meet with a team physician and mental health professional before opting into testing, and that any deemed high-risk won’t be permitted to opt in. Those who do undergo testing will undergo regular check-ins with mental health practitioners and physicians. Students from certain sports, including the men’s and women’s cross-country and women’s track and field programs, won’t be allowed to undergo testing in their first year post-high school. Coaches won’t have access to body composition, weight, or similar data, and an annual review of the testing program will be conducted by “academic and medical professionals with strong research backgrounds."
So Wetmore keeps his job, but Robert Johnson (Oregon Head Coach) is fired.
Coach Drenth has had disordered eating surrounding his program at both ASU and MSU for his entire career and so has Corey Ihmels at both Boise and Iowa state. Both are respected coaches by many. Any investigations into either of these programs would have resulted into many firings.
I've heard this from multiple sources.
However, I'll say this again. The answer to these situations isn't just to blindly fire anyone being questionable with this stuff. Give these coaches sensitivity training. They obviously are a net positive for the university and the athletes who go through that program. Body composition was a fad thing over the recent years and some coaches got carried away. This should be looked at as a strike on the record, not a means to termination.
Don't forget that prior to joining NOP, the Gouchers were training under Wetmore as pros through the 2004 OT. Adam being chronically injured and underperforming in that time certainly isn't a coincidence.
Agree. Also Cobourn left pretty suddenly to be coached by her now husband, which strikes me as a pretty big risk to take for someone who was already very successful. Looks like a lot of former CU women went to Boss as well. Maybe there's nothing to it but my read on that situation is they wanted a coach who had a similar program (since he was a CU alum himself) but without some of the outdated baggage or perhaps other toxic elements that they weren't happy with at CU.
This also happened with my program. Most of the people who went on to some other coach chose one that had been part of the program. I can agree with that sentiment. I felt that my former coach's written program/philosophy was objectively solid, but that the environment he created and having to interact with him was not. For example, my training went a lot better during a period where I had an internship that had me training on my own with only a weekly email exchange as interaction.
Another thing I'd say to the women defending all of this... it's possible to acknowledge that something that wasn't awful for you personally might not have been a great choice. My program had similar accusations of irresponsible body comp/medical stuff and eating disorders. I didn't have those problems while in college and I felt that the information that was delivered was useful and scientifically accurate. However I could see how other athletes with existing eating disorders would twist that info in their mind.
If you are working with track athletes (both male and female) you need to accept that most of them have an eating disorder and tailor your content appropriately. The way men have their eating disorders socialized is different and often comes off as orthorexia (objective is "optimal health"/obsession with health not being skinny). This is probably because the idealized male body type in society isn't that of a track runner. So being told to gain weight is like permission to go back towards the ideal. If most of the CU men's team was being told they were underweight that's basically a neon sign saying that many of them had eating disorders even if they don't want to accept that. It's true that running a lot will make you thin, but to get that thin you need to be intentionally ignoring hunger cues, which is a hallmark of disordered eating.
If I recall correctly, the LR gossip at the time was that the move by Coburn was mostly about money.
What if it results in injuries, burn out, long term health damage, or loss of life? Is it woke to not belittle people?
Almost every runner experiences burnout and injuries. Please tell me the CU athletes who have suffered long term health damage or loss of life. I've not heard of any.
Not eating disorder related. But Chris Severy.
Wetmore did say they needed to melt the fat off of him though. May have contributed to him biking to and from his cabin.
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It is crazy to me that so much effort has been put into this investigation over a walk-on having a bad time and some athletes working with a professional on their diet.
Your body comp matters in every sport. People out here to ruin lives because skinny athletes run fast
Coach Drenth has had disordered eating surrounding his program at both ASU and MSU for his entire career and so has Corey Ihmels at both Boise and Iowa state. Both are respected coaches by many. Any investigations into either of these programs would have resulted into many firings.
You do realize that Walt Drenth did not retire under his own terms?