Transgender athletes wins CT state champs for school

So how come even under Biden, various agencies of the US federal goverment such as the CDC, NIH, FDA, FBI/DoJ, Pentagon, NASA, Selective Service, Social Security Adminstration, Medicare and Dept of State all still collect data and do various kinds of analyses that record and/or take into account people's sex - physical or biological sex, that is, not the fantasy or wannabe sex some individuals imagine themselves to be or wish they were?

How come during the Covid pandemic, national, state and local governments, global organziations like WHO and the UN, corporations such as the drug companies involved in vaccine research, and such all gathered, kept and in many cases published data that took into account sex - and which showed how sex affected exposure to Covid, likelihood of infection, the number of cases, the severity of cases, the rates of hospitalizations and ICU admissions, the likelihood of death, the rates and kinds of adverse reactions to Covid vaccines, who was put out of work, and who shouldered the greatest burden of childcare when schools were closed?

How come when women have babies and do the paperwork to register the births and obtain birth certificates for our kids, the forms we sign and submit to state birth registries all ask for the child's sex?

How come even under the Biden presidency, the US Selective Service says that males in the USA who "identify as" girls/women and have changed the sex markers on documents like their driver's licenses and passports still have to register with the Selective Service when they turn 18 and remain registered for the normal length of time as other males in the US - and this is true even for males who were "medically transitioned" as pre-teens and teens like Jazz Jennings?

The bill says:

It shall be a violation of subsection (a) for a recipient of Federal financial assistance who operates, sponsors, or facilitates athletic programs or activities to permit a person whose sex is male to participate in an athletic program or activity that is designated for women or girls.

For the purposes of this subsection, the term ‘athletic programs and activities’ includes, but is not limited to, all programs or activities that are provided conditional upon participation with any athletic team.

So it covers all the athletic programs and activities that received Federal financial assistance. It does not cover club sports or recreational sports. But most kids in high school and middle school participate in sports through school sponsored programs, although some also participate in other settings.

So which country's women have more success at Winter Olympics relative to their population size? Do they have a "competitive model" for youths sports?

Norway's women's soccer team has won both the FIFA World Cup and the Olympics. Their men's team has qualified for only three out of 22 World Cups and finished no higher than 12th.

And the list of "prominent sports figures" in almost any country is skewed toward men, because men have competed in sports for longer with more prominence. Maybe the only exceptions are former communist countries that doped women.

What about this clause?
“(4) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit a recipient from permitting males to train or practice with an athletic program or activity that is designated for women or girls so long as no female is deprived of a roster spot on a team or sport, opportunity to participate in a practice or competition, scholarship, admission to an educational institution, or any other benefit that accompanies participating in the athletic program or activity.”

Like I said, title IX protection

Trans and DSD athletes are allowed to practice / train with girls. But that's also allowed for cis boys. (Like practice squad for college teams.) They cannot play in any sanctioned game, because that automatically takes a spot away from another student athlete.

You still haven't answered the question I asked in response to your earlier post where - in reference to school sports, specifically school sports in the USA - you said, "I would support applying the WA policy from 7th to 12th grade in track & field. K-6 probably does not need any policy."

So I'll ask it again:

On what grounds do you think it's justified to deny female students fairness in track & field so long as they haven't made it to 7th grade yet?

that’s not what it says

You have already answered your own question. Kids enjoy a lot of "competitions" but how are we assuring the "Competitive fairness" in all the activities your listed? Where is the formal rules of those competitions? Who officiates them? Who determines the eligibility in each division? Who conducts drug test? Are kinds sports like all the activities you have listed? Or are they like the Olympics and the World Cup?

"The activities kids enjoy competing in include informal physical contests similar to sports that kids engage in on their own to see who can run or walk the fastest; throw or bat the farthest and most accurately; jump, climb and fly a swing the highest; punch, kick and use sticks or toy swords to hit the hardest; knock down the most pins or other objects; jump rope the longest and most skillfully ... and a whole lot of other types of contests. Such as card games like Go Fish and Uno; board games like Chutes & Ladders, Monopoly, Trouble, checkers, chess, Battleship, Parcheesi, Clue; video games; spelling bees; jacks; marbles; pick-up-sticks; Jenga; guessing games; word games; and silly contests that kids make up all on their own to see who can hold their breath the longest, burp the loudest, make the worst-smelling farts, stay awake the longest, get the most and best-quality candy when trick-or-treating, collect the most and best baseball cards, Pokemon, beanie babies... and so on."

I stand by what I wrote but will grant you one paragraph’s worth of attention: there are no rights the federal government affords on the basis of sex not afforded to gender identity. Conflating what I wrote with the obtuse interpretation that there are no physiological differences between ovaried and testicled individuals for medical, research, or other data collection purposes is just the usual claptrap.

I don’t care whose presidency it is, but take your point on selective service, a moot point for the last 50 years, if you insist on viewing not serving the country in need as a female right.

try again. it only mention sex once in the 19th amendment and FFS if you think the originalists on the Court are going to entertain gender identity as included in that you are out to lunch dear sir

Why are you people so upset about the four trans athletes in this country?

Because they are winning everything!!!

Please explain how two landmark federal laws - the Pregnancy Discrimination Act (PDA) of 1978 and the Pregnant Workers' Fairness Act (PWFA), which goes into effect later this month - afford male employees who claim to have opposite-sex, non-binary or other special gender identities the same rights and protections as these laws provide to female workers who are pregnant or postpartum or have health issues related to pregnancy, childbirth, miscarriage, stillbirth and/or maternity.

Lia Thomas, CeCe Telfer, Dylan Mulvaney and Jazz Jennings are all males who "identify as" girls or women, or say they do. Runners Zackary Harris, Jake Caswell and Nick Dill are males who "identify as" non-binary, or say they do. All these persons are young enough that if they were female they would be considered "of childbearing age." But since they are male, I don't see how the PDA and especially the PWFA afford them the same workplace rights and protections due to their gender identities that these laws afford female workers due to their sex. In fact, I don't see how any male is afforded rights under the PWFA.

What about the federal nutrition program known as WIC? My understanding is that the ony people who have a legal right to WIC are infants and children up to age 5, and women or girls (the female kind) who are pregnant, postpartum up to 6 months after giving birth, and/or breastfeeding a baby up to one year of age.

I haven't kept up with all the latest rules and regulations pertaining to WIC, so please fill me in on how male persons who claim to "identify as" girls, women, non-binary, genderfluid, vapogender, eunuch gender or any one of the novel, bespoke genders that have yet to be invented are afforded the same rights to WIC on account of their gender identities as some female persons are on account of their sex and their status as currently pregnant or postpartum and/or pospartum and breastfeeding.

Learn to read, and to write concisely, which since you couldn’t, I trimmed your post to the first para.

Rights afforded by way of pregnancy will also be available to a trans man or intersex person if they get pregnant. There is gender-sex parity in the interpretation of federal law, not exact equality when it’s not relevant. The context is sex vs. gender rights, not men vs women’s rights. Can’t help you if you keep deliberately obtusely claptrapping.

With the exception of spelling bees in some cases, none of the activities I cited are formal activities conducted by schools and other educational insititutions that are subject to the USA's Title IX or to the civil rights laws regarding sex discrimination in other countries, such as the UK's Equality Act of 2010.

But if you're suggesting that none of these activities have set rules - and further, that kids don't take the rules very seriously - then you're just proving the point I made earlier. Which is that you come off as having so little experience dealing with kids in real life that you don't know much about them, their behavior, their psychology, their consciousness of physical sex differences and their regard for fairness.

Fact is, kids tend to huge sticklers for rules and to believe strongly in fairness. But at the same time, many/most kids will cheat if they are given the chance, particularly if they feel confident they either won't get caught or they won't get into any trouble or face negative consequences if they're caught.

You're advocating a system where some male youngsters and adults you have decided deserve special status are granted special permission to cheat in sports, and to cheat not against members of their own sex, but against members of the female sex whom they have an unfair advantage over.

Moreover, you contend that the males you consider special should not just be allowed to get away with cheating in sports, but they should be protected from anyone criticizing them for cheating - and they should be protected from ever hearing or seeing their sex mentioned too.

To top it off, you say girls and women who are negatively affected - or who find this male-supremacist state of affairs objectionable on princicple - should shut up and accept that favoritism towards some male peope you think are special is "for the greater good" even though it comes at the expense of female people. Anyone who disagrees with your male-chauvinist position, you write off as a bigot, a right-wing reactionary and/or an imbecile or ignoramus who simply doesn't have the mental capacity, education or training to understand biology, law, policy and logic nearly as well as you think you do.

Yet somehow you're convinced that you're the good guy here and that your cause is righteous.

But those rights would be afforded to so-called trans men or persons with DSD because of their female sex, not because of their gender identities. Their gender identities would not factor in at all.

BTW, that's how I think it should be. I don't think anyone should be denied rights or protections related to their sex - or their age, race, humanity, health status,place of birth, etc - because of their gender identity, gender presentation, sexual orientation, etc. I think pregnant women and mothers who call themselves trans men deserve the same rights and protections under the law as other people of their sex.

Same goes for people with DSDs. I think female people wtih DSDs like CAH, MRKH or Turner's should not be unfairly discriminated against or in any way mistreated for having a DFSD. Just as I think male people with DSDs like XY 5-ARD, AIS and Klinefelter's shouldn't be discriminated against or mistreated for having a DMSD.

Where you and I differ is that you believe people of one sex should be able to use gender identity claims to demand rights, protections, accommodations and access to spaces and services established for the opposite sex - and to demand special new privileges just for them and others like them, such as a non-binary category in sports that gives males extra chances to win and "new rules" around pronouns and name use that allow the "gender specials" to compel and control other people's speech.

You particularly say that male people should be able to use gender identity claims to intrude into sports and spaces meant for female people, and to trample over and remove the hard-won rights of female people. I take a different view.

You also really like trying to boss other people around, LOL. But your constant barking of commands to me and other posters - "learn to read! learn to write! educate yourself! shut up!" - and all your peurile name-calling are other issues entirely. But your posts sure do remind me of the telltale sound a spoon makes when it's banged against a highchair.

In other words, kids make and enforce their own rules, and no outside authority is involved. Thanks for confirming the obvious. And you certainly do not want to go there in this issue.

If it is up to other girls to decide whether they want to have a trans kid as their teammate, they are more than likely to accept the trans kid. At least that's far more likely than any adults or even boys of same age making their decisions. You definitely want to have old men, especially conservative old men, to be firmly in charge of making and enforcing rules, because they are your most dependable ally.

Here is an episode from Amy Ellis Nutt's book. When Nicole Maines was in the fifth grade, she was using the girls' restroom at her school with no problem until this one boy followed Nicole and her friend into the restroom. When the two girls confronted him, the boy said he could use the restroom if Nicole could use it. It turned out he was told to pull this stunt by his grandfather who was a prominent conservative activist. The school could not ignore the pressure from this influential grandfather and eventually relented. So Nicole was ordered to use the staff restroom from that point on, just because of this one boy and his activist grandfather. That's the kind of guy who would be the most reliable ally for your cause.

The case eventually ended up in the Maine Supreme Court, and they decided in favor of Nicole and her family.

you are a clown