Alec Baldwin just shot and KILLED a woman on a movie set

phony al wrote:

mr liberal gun control guy cant practice what he preaches all over about all the gun control and all the liberal stuff canceling the second amendment and those who practice it

It takes a real piece of crap to bring up politics right now when something horrific like this happens. Grow up. Your opinions aren't that important.

No, he's right. He's advocated for gun control, while simultaneously making movies that promotes and glorifies gun violence and profiting from it. Personally I love his old tweet trying to savage a police officer who shot someone asking about what it must feel like to accidentally kill. All this couldn't have happened to a nicer fellow. He and his fake hispanic wife deserve it.

Lars Sqweebles wrote:

explain please wrote:

How in the heck does a "prop gun" kill someone?

Because it may be a real gun.

Prop guns often are real guns.

Typically they are loaded with either squibs (bullet and no powder) or blanks (powder with no bullet).

The combo is what Killed Brandon Lee. A squib was fired which put the bullet in the barrel ( the primer has enough pop to move the bullet a bit), the. A later blank forced the bullet out at full velocity.

In the Brandon Lee case they were using blanks. They ran out of the properly prepared blanks due the need to complete the film. "Instead of purchasing commercial dummy cartridges, the film's prop crew, hampered by time constraints, created their own by pulling the bullets from live rounds, dumping the powder charge, then reinserting the bullets." Also, the gun used in the Brandon Lee case was a .44 Magnum, a very powerful gun.

The public doesn't need to know what a prop gun is. The police are familiar with firearms, are investigating the accident and a report made to the public. Alec Baldwin isn't John Doe and a neighbor didn't hand him the gun. The person who prepared the gun is presumably trained in handling firearms and he is responsible. If the gun needs to be double checked, that person should do it himself.

WinnytheBish wrote:

phony al wrote:

mr liberal gun control guy cant practice what he preaches all over about all the gun control and all the liberal stuff canceling the second amendment and those who practice it

It takes a real piece of crap to bring up politics right now when something horrific like this happens. Grow up. Your opinions aren't that important.

oh so now youre against gun control when you liberal iconics faces legal winthebishy.........? the nation bend rules for liberals while christ fearing taxpayers and the national kids pay the price for media bias and prog greed and indoctrination all over the great land of ours

Bingo!

When you are handed a firearm, you always check yourself that it is unloaded.

This was a real gun. "Props" don't shoot through someone and shoot another person.

If my buddies and I ... that would be Jethro, Cletus and I are making a YouTube video ... and Cletus gets shot by the prop gun, somebody is going to jail for manslaughter.

there is supposed to be a licensed professional on set handling such weaponry and they clearly failed this time. This is not Alec Baldwin's fault.

Total morons, everywhere.

ragingclue wrote:

there is supposed to be a licensed professional on set handling such weaponry and they clearly failed this time. This is not Alec Baldwin's fault.

It's so illogical to think the actor should be responsible for such an accident. Does the actor sign a contract that includes a clause that states he/should have training in handling firearms, is to inspect the weapon before using it in the scene and will be responsible for any injuries from an accidental shooting? Not all actors are gun owners.

ragingclue wrote:

there is supposed to be a licensed professional on set handling such weaponry and they clearly failed this time. This is not Alec Baldwin's fault.

He just pointed a gun at someone and killed her. Yeah, he is not responsible. Like George Carlin used to say… Think of how dumb the average person is and realize that half the people are even more stupid than that.

phony al wrote:

WinnytheBish wrote:

It takes a real piece of crap to bring up politics right now when something horrific like this happens. Grow up. Your opinions aren't that important.

oh so now youre against gun control when you liberal iconics faces legal winthebishy.........? the nation bend rules for liberals while christ fearing taxpayers and the national kids pay the price for media bias and prog greed and indoctrination all over the great land of ours

Liberal vs Conservative is a lie.

It’s the rich vs the rest. They just tell us that we are team red or blue to keep us divided.

Baldwin and Trump are the same team. As Trump said, he could shoot someone in broad daylight and not go to jail.

The real indoctrination is that poor people have too many social differences to ever work as a singular force.

ragingclue wrote:

there is supposed to be a licensed professional on set handling such weaponry and they clearly failed this time. This is not Alec Baldwin's fault.

He is at fault. He is one of the film's producers. Part of the producer's job is hiring crew, getting funding, and approving payment to crew. This film failed on these accounts. Shot on a shoe-string budget. Crew bailing out after being forced to do an excessive work load; hire 5 people to do a job that requires 10 people and demand that they do the job on a 10 person schedule. And do not approve salary payment the 5 overworked people. And to save money use real weapons for "authenticity" and rather than add the bullet shot using CGI (too expensive) use a more powerful blank because that shows up better when filmed during daytime hours.

And that is how this movie was being done. Baldwin is responsible for how the film was being done and he would be a person approving how filming was to be done.

The typical solution is never point a gun a person during a film shot ... PERIOD. And when shooting have shields in place to prevent shrapnel for flying around. The question for Baldwin was why did he point the gun directly at the camera. And why did the camera person -- the director of photography because the union crew bailed out a few hours before -- stand in the line of fire. There are endless ways to use a camera that do not require someone to stand in line with the lens.

To many corners were being cut in this low-budget Baldwin "gun fighter" feature.

I wonder what Christopher Walken did for that scene in Deer Hunter where they are POWs forced to play Russian roulette and he points a gun at his head and pulls the trigger. Did he just walk on to the set and take the word of the prop master or assistant director or whoever that the gun was unloaded? I would want to inspect it myself if I were him.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

ragingclue wrote:

there is supposed to be a licensed professional on set handling such weaponry and they clearly failed this time. This is not Alec Baldwin's fault.

It's so illogical to think the actor should be responsible for such an accident. Does the actor sign a contract that includes a clause that states he/should have training in handling firearms, is to inspect the weapon before using it in the scene and will be responsible for any injuries from an accidental shooting? Not all actors are gun owners.

Love to read liberals defing killers. I do not expect anything else

if you are given a real gun, you have the ultimate responsibility to check it; basic gun safety, always check your weapon no matter what someone else says; if someone handed you a gun and said dont worry its safe (not loaded with live ammo) would you trust them and point it at your own head and pull the trigger?

sayyestonepotism wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

It's so illogical to think the actor should be responsible for such an accident. Does the actor sign a contract that includes a clause that states he/should have training in handling firearms, is to inspect the weapon before using it in the scene and will be responsible for any injuries from an accidental shooting? Not all actors are gun owners.

Love to read liberals defing killers. I do not expect anything else

You can say anything you want, but no D.A. is going to press charged against Baldwin. He is not going to be indicted because he is a liberal that impersonates Trump.

Bald Always Win wrote:

If you practice acting in your backyard with your friends and use a real gun and somebody gets killed, the media will just use the type of gun in the article. "John Doe shoots Jane Doe in his backyard while fooling around with a loaded 12-guage shotgun. He claims that he didn't know the gun was loaded because his neighbor checked it prior to handing it to him." Do you think John Doe is innocent?

Fooling around with your friends with a gun isn't the same as a film set - which is a work environment where people have been hired to contractually fulfil certain roles.

If you take your vehicle for maintenance and the mechanic doesn't fix the brakes correctly and they fail at speed on the highway - the driver's lawyer will have an easy day in court.

Bad example. Driving a car is a normal activity. The mechanic is at fault. Pointing a gun at somebody and pretending to kill them is at a bit of a higher level of responsibility.

The person who prepared the gun was a lady who previously doubted her capability to be a lead armorer.

Also, Alec Baldwin never should have pointed it at another person.