Official RunningLane National Championships thread

chips ahoy timing company wrote:

Anyone who claims the course is short needs to look at the other major championships GPS data. All of them are short including d1 and virtually all of them are short by the same percentages. So claiming the fast times result from the course measurements is foolish.

It’s a fast course with really fast runners.

Howdy there 'bama tabacca. Us here in the north dont measure courses with GPS because them there commercial devices have large margins of error. Maybe if you went to college and had more than six teeth youd know better.

SurveyRunnerBoi wrote:

When 4:30 milers run low 15 you know the course is short lol

Exactly. There’s going to be a ton of gigantic RL performance improvements like that. The “last mile” splits are going to be hilarious to review.

Takes nothing away from how good NP is as a team; by far the best ever. Not even close.

But no, they didn’t take off :20 off their previous best (from a fast course with a ton of hard-packed dirt and/or CEMENT).

For all of you griping about the length of the course or that nobody can measure up to Ritz just STFU. Really, STFU. The runners today were concerned only about beating the other competitors. And the teams wanted to beat other teams. That's it. Everyone knows that only track times can be compared to other performances. And even in track there's variability with the speed of the track's surface, weather conditions, etc. First and foremost runners compete against each other, and only secondarily against the clock.

As for NP, they've accomplished whatever has been asked of them. This is the greatest boys' high school cross country team.

The 2nd split is at 2.1 miles

The bad news for him is that Hutchins ran 15:34 on the track three weeks after her 15:58. Tuohy has not beat that 15:34 in high school OR college. So claiming Hutchins would have finished way behind her is psychotic.

ragingclue wrote:

They will be better next year. Their 6 and 7 guys broke 15 making their 1-7 spread "only" 56 seconds. The 14:10 record is a benchmark but kind of irrelevant at this point. This is unquestionably the greatest high school xc race ever.

Also can anyone verify the 2 mile split? I heard one of the announcers say 9:41 but that seems 'slow' given they rolled through the mile in 4:30, so I was expecting 9:10-9:20 for the 2mile split. especially since Sahlman ran 14:03, I highly doubt that 2mile split was correct.

It was a 2.1 mile split, not a 2.0 split

Young twins have a legit shot of breaking all the relevant records. I expect both to best German’s record next year, maybe even mid season at Clovis. Let’s see how it goes. Looking forward to seeing one or more of them run low 8:30s at Arcadia. Is sub 8:30 possible? I think so.

You seem to have a lot of anger. Maybe you should speak to a therapist.

Talent in the 2-mile and XC are the same thing and what the NP kids accomplish next spring will provide all the information we need to compare them to the GOATS.

Wise Old Man wrote:

Colin will be impossible to fully replace, but I expect Doshi and Martinez to be faster than Appleford, and maybe one of them will be running close to 14:45 at Woodward, similar to Aaron this year. Youngs should be faster next year faster than Colin this year. Their team time 1-5 won’t fall off my much.

Yeah, I guess you're right about that. I expect the twins to be faster than Colin next year just because they're at his level now, and if Doshi and Martinez can progress, they could get down below 14:45ish. They're already below 15, so it's not a huge jump. That said, Aaron's level is 14:14 right now, and I don't know how realistic it is for one of them to make that big of a jump, but it's not impossible.

Peach Pit wrote:

[quote]SDSU Aztec wrote:

... we now have a national meet where we can compare performances in the future.

I seem to be in the minority, but fast XC times should not be the focus of a national championship race. I'd prefer a strength course determine the national champion. Times should be irrelevant. Does anyone at the NCAA or World level obsess about XC times? Why is that the trend of HS XC?

I challenge every single Newbury Park runner gloating over their finishing times to step foot on the speedway and try to replicate what Ritz did. I will get on the phone with Superior Timing right now and foot the bill for the setup. I also call on Hansons-Brooks to get the athletes travel fares and lodging.

blue 7 wrote:

For all of you griping about the length of the course or that nobody can measure up to Ritz just STFU. Really, STFU. The runners today were concerned only about beating the other competitors. And the teams wanted to beat other teams. That's it. Everyone knows that only track times can be compared to other performances. And even in track there's variability with the speed of the track's surface, weather conditions, etc. First and foremost runners compete against each other, and only secondarily against the clock.

As for NP, they've accomplished whatever has been asked of them. This is the greatest boys' high school cross country team.

Heartless wrote:

SurveyRunnerBoi wrote:

When 4:30 milers run low 15 you know the course is short lol

Exactly. There’s going to be a ton of gigantic RL performance improvements like that. The “last mile” splits are going to be hilarious to review.

Takes nothing away from how good NP is as a team; by far the best ever. Not even close.

But no, they didn’t take off :20 off their previous best (from a fast course with a ton of hard-packed dirt and/or CEMENT).

The times the top 4 ran at Woodbridge compare to todays times. Colin had a bad day at Woodbridge and still ran 13:48. Their 5-7 really improved. Their coach stated back then he would get them closer to the front four and he did.

Also Cantù ran 15:29 in the silver race. He’ll be back next year,

fatboy slim wrote:

Heartless wrote:

For some perspective, the 2nd best time on the MHSAA course behind Ritz’s 14:10 (held there since 1996), is 14:49 by Hough in 2020. This includes a couple national champions as well- Grant Fisher (14:52 at MHSAA) and Tim Moore (15:06). Hobbs ran low-14:50s as well.

Isn’t the Cali state meet course considered a bit faster than MHSAA MIS course?

Lol no. Michigan has the fastest course ever

Mis isn't the fastest course in Michigan that would be Bennie. NP wouldn't break 14:30 at mis. Just look at how fast hough ran here compared to at mis

Benzie*

Marathons are run on different courses but we hand out records for those.

Peach Pit wrote:

Wise Old Man wrote:

Colin will be impossible to fully replace, but I expect Doshi and Martinez to be faster than Appleford, and maybe one of them will be running close to 14:45 at Woodward, similar to Aaron this year. Youngs should be faster next year faster than Colin this year. Their team time 1-5 won’t fall off my much.

Yeah, I guess you're right about that. I expect the twins to be faster than Colin next year just because they're at his level now, and if Doshi and Martinez can progress, they could get down below 14:45ish. They're already below 15, so it's not a huge jump. That said, Aaron's level is 14:14 right now, and I don't know how realistic it is for one of them to make that big of a jump, but it's not impossible.

I was referring more to the Woodward times. Aaron was 14:46. It would be a 30 sec improvement for Martinez, but I think he can do it in that system and with those teammates. Youngs are going sub 14:20 at Woodward next year. Their strength is unreal.

Here we see some REALLY pathetic posts from $0.02

Look away it’s bit too cringe to bear

hope this puts to rest the argument that Brosnan is not a great coach. Many seem to claim he got lucky with the brothers, but today he proved that he can develop his other athletes into great runners. 6 and 7 runners for NP broke 15 and are coming back next year.