I was fine with your justification until the last sentence. Jesus never taught that Caeser was to be followed above God. As Peter said before the Sanhedrin, "We must obey God rather than human beings!"
You could certainly make a fair argument that you aren't too upset about following the rules of man as long as they don't conflict with the rules of God. And though I don't like the symbolism of country above faith, the flag rules could fall under that purview.
Maybe that's what you were saying, and that's fine by me.
if anything can stop the onslaught of the GOP on democracy and law and order, it might be the overturning of Roe. And hey it looks like that's what's going to happen. Someone leaked a draft decision.
The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO. The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes. “We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”
What a crock of a made-up story. The Supreme Court doesn't just sit around and just rule on stuff that they decide to rule on. They make decisions on cases granted certiorari. These are cases from lower appeals courts. Laughable how Politco made up this story. A sign of how desperate they are.
It's the rurals' world. We just live in it. Entrenched minority rule like this is not stable. At one point the majority of the nation will tire of being ruled by a bunch of country folk who take their marching orders from a sky god and a fat old con man.
Brian Klaas @brianklaas The ongoing US political dysfunction isn’t sustainable. The breakdown of a shared sense of reality, mainstreaming of lunacy, rising political violence, ratcheting authoritarianism, and anti-majoritarian institutions creating policies supported by a small, mostly rural minority.
Probably, but we don't know. It could have been a conservative who wanted to gauge public reaction before the court's final ruling. Roberts is said to be wanting something a little more watered-down.
To say that the leak is worse than the January 6th insurrection is quite a stretch. The insurrection could have brought down the entire government and sparked a civil war.
chief justice says the document is real but the case is not yet decided.
I feel bad for the women forced to carry kids to term and the men who have to give up 1/4 of their income for child support but maybe this will show what life will be like under Trumpist rule.
Abbot costs his state billions for a publicity stunt, DeSantis sticks taxpayers with billions of taxes in order to punish a company he doesn't like, and no abortions. next they'll go after single sex marriages.
Good luck, confederacy. We'll be rooting for you in some fashion.
it used to be just theory and fun - let's see how voters really like theocracy and fewer liberties down in dixie.
It's the rurals' world. We just live in it. Entrenched minority rule like this is not stable. At one point the majority of the nation will tire of being ruled by a bunch of country folk who take their marching orders from a sky god and a fat old con man.
Brian Klaas @brianklaas The ongoing US political dysfunction isn’t sustainable. The breakdown of a shared sense of reality, mainstreaming of lunacy, rising political violence, ratcheting authoritarianism, and anti-majoritarian institutions creating policies supported by a small, mostly rural minority.
Strange to say, but I kinda think that your words are too optimistic. A tiny majority (roughly speaking?) of the nation saw Trumpism for what it was years ago. But what are they gonna do? For the foreseeable future it seems that there are too many Trumpists, too many blind/apathetic "moderates," and too many un-competitive political races.
It's the rurals' world. We just live in it. Entrenched minority rule like this is not stable. At one point the majority of the nation will tire of being ruled by a bunch of country folk who take their marching orders from a sky god and a fat old con man.
Brian Klaas @brianklaas The ongoing US political dysfunction isn’t sustainable. The breakdown of a shared sense of reality, mainstreaming of lunacy, rising political violence, ratcheting authoritarianism, and anti-majoritarian institutions creating policies supported by a small, mostly rural minority.
Strange to say, but I kinda think that your words are too optimistic. A tiny majority (roughly speaking?) of the nation saw Trumpism for what it was years ago. But what are they gonna do? For the foreseeable future it seems that there are too many Trumpists, too many blind/apathetic "moderates," and too many un-competitive political races.
and a tragic lack of leadership from the Democratic Party. Everything would change if we had a Bill Clinton figure who could talk to the people and take away their fears. But there is no one. Dem leadership is a vast vacuum of talent. Because, as I've said, we've made politics into a terrible profession, and the wealth of the nation has given much better options for talented people.
chief justice says the document is real but the case is not yet decided.
I feel bad for the women forced to carry kids to term and the men who have to give up 1/4 of their income for child support but maybe this will show what life will be like under Trumpist rule.
Abbot costs his state billions for a publicity stunt, DeSantis sticks taxpayers with billions of taxes in order to punish a company he doesn't like, and no abortions. next they'll go after single sex marriages.
Good luck, confederacy. We'll be rooting for you in some fashion.
it used to be just theory and fun - let's see how voters really like theocracy and fewer liberties down in dixie.
While I am strongly pro-life and I believe that the unborn are worthy of government protection, I also have compassion for women. I don't believe that anyone enters into the decision of abortion lightly. And I hate it that women will now go back to seeking back-ally abortions and risk prosecution. If the abortion question were put up for a vote, a man's vote should count a lot less than a woman's vote.
If Alito's draft decision were to become law, it may have some frightening side effects. Roe v. Wade is based on an earlier decision that upheld the right to use birth control. According to some experts, this would strike that down as well. And it would threaten the entire concept of a right to privacy.
So some states could outlaw the pill and condoms. They could outlaw vasectomies, tubal ligation, or really any surgery they want.
chief justice says the document is real but the case is not yet decided.
I feel bad for the women forced to carry kids to term and the men who have to give up 1/4 of their income for child support but maybe this will show what life will be like under Trumpist rule.
Abbot costs his state billions for a publicity stunt, DeSantis sticks taxpayers with billions of taxes in order to punish a company he doesn't like, and no abortions. next they'll go after single sex marriages.
Good luck, confederacy. We'll be rooting for you in some fashion.
it used to be just theory and fun - let's see how voters really like theocracy and fewer liberties down in dixie.
Again, unfortunately, I think that your last sentence is too optimistic. As we all know, a large fraction of the U.S. has been convinced to overlook/excuse terrible behavior (to include election stealing) in the service of feeding their grievance, preferred tribalism, "anti-liberalness," etc. If you'll do all that, HOW BAD do any NEW R policies or actions need to be before you're willing to switch sides? Not happening ANYTIME soon.
Of course, I suppose you could be suggesting that the southern/red state "moderates" could finally turn. But just like the straight Trumpers, they've been watching this show for a long time and it hasn't been enough to wake them up (again, see last fall's VA and NJ races). Will a noticeable uptick in obnoxious R behavior substantially change that? I highly doubt it.
It's the rurals' world. We just live in it. Entrenched minority rule like this is not stable. At one point the majority of the nation will tire of being ruled by a bunch of country folk who take their marching orders from a sky god and a fat old con man.
Brian Klaas @brianklaas The ongoing US political dysfunction isn’t sustainable. The breakdown of a shared sense of reality, mainstreaming of lunacy, rising political violence, ratcheting authoritarianism, and anti-majoritarian institutions creating policies supported by a small, mostly rural minority.
Strange to say, but I kinda think that your words are too optimistic. A tiny majority (roughly speaking?) of the nation saw Trumpism for what it was years ago. But what are they gonna do? For the foreseeable future it seems that there are too many Trumpists, too many blind/apathetic "moderates," and too many un-competitive political races.
You are confused on who the minority is...
Over 80% of Americans still believe in God whether they go to church or not.
Over 60% of Americans live in the South and Midwest.
If Trump had a better personality Biden loses in 2020 by 20 million votes.
There's a reason 2022 is shaping up to be an historic bloodbath for the Democrats and it sure as hell isn't because you idiots are the majority.
Oh, and the government could force you to take vaccines. At least that is my understanding of this decision. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems that way. SCOTUS says you don't have a right to say what happens to your own body. Anti-vaxxers would be out of luck.
chief justice says the document is real but the case is not yet decided.
I feel bad for the women forced to carry kids to term and the men who have to give up 1/4 of their income for child support but maybe this will show what life will be like under Trumpist rule.
Abbot costs his state billions for a publicity stunt, DeSantis sticks taxpayers with billions of taxes in order to punish a company he doesn't like, and no abortions. next they'll go after single sex marriages.
Good luck, confederacy. We'll be rooting for you in some fashion.
it used to be just theory and fun - let's see how voters really like theocracy and fewer liberties down in dixie.
Again, unfortunately, I think that your last sentence is too optimistic. As we all know, a large fraction of the U.S. has been convinced to overlook/excuse terrible behavior (to include election stealing) in the service of feeding their grievance, preferred tribalism, "anti-liberalness," etc. If you'll do all that, HOW BAD do any NEW R policies or actions need to be before you're willing to switch sides? Not happening ANYTIME soon.
Of course, I suppose you could be suggesting that the southern/red state "moderates" could finally turn. But just like the straight Trumpers, they've been watching this show for a long time and it hasn't been enough to wake them up (again, see last fall's VA and NJ races). Will a noticeable uptick in obnoxious R behavior substantially change that? I highly doubt it.
I disagree. Trump's insurrection won us two senate seats here in Georgia. With enough motivation, red states can turn blue.
Oh, and the government could force you to take vaccines. At least that is my understanding of this decision. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems that way. SCOTUS says you don't have a right to say what happens to your own body. Anti-vaxxers would be out of luck.
In other words, you don't understand the decision at all...
chief justice says the document is real but the case is not yet decided.
I feel bad for the women forced to carry kids to term and the men who have to give up 1/4 of their income for child support but maybe this will show what life will be like under Trumpist rule.
Abbot costs his state billions for a publicity stunt, DeSantis sticks taxpayers with billions of taxes in order to punish a company he doesn't like, and no abortions. next they'll go after single sex marriages.
Good luck, confederacy. We'll be rooting for you in some fashion.
it used to be just theory and fun - let's see how voters really like theocracy and fewer liberties down in dixie.
While I am strongly pro-life and I believe that the unborn are worthy of government protection, I also have compassion for women. I don't believe that anyone enters into the decision of abortion lightly. And I hate it that women will now go back to seeking back-ally abortions and risk prosecution. If the abortion question were put up for a vote, a man's vote should count a lot less than a woman's vote.
If Alito's draft decision were to become law, it may have some frightening side effects. Roe v. Wade is based on an earlier decision that upheld the right to use birth control. According to some experts, this would strike that down as well. And it would threaten the entire concept of a right to privacy.
So some states could outlaw the pill and condoms. They could outlaw vasectomies, tubal ligation, or really any surgery they want.
Actually, when you say that no one enters into the decision of abortion lightly, that is false. Many women get pregnant all the time and it is just routine to them to just go abort the baby. They treat the fetus very lightly. They don't care at all about the fetus. Just something to do away with.
While I am strongly pro-life and I believe that the unborn are worthy of government protection, I also have compassion for women. I don't believe that anyone enters into the decision of abortion lightly. And I hate it that women will now go back to seeking back-ally abortions and risk prosecution. If the abortion question were put up for a vote, a man's vote should count a lot less than a woman's vote.
If Alito's draft decision were to become law, it may have some frightening side effects. Roe v. Wade is based on an earlier decision that upheld the right to use birth control. According to some experts, this would strike that down as well. And it would threaten the entire concept of a right to privacy.
So some states could outlaw the pill and condoms. They could outlaw vasectomies, tubal ligation, or really any surgery they want.
Actually, when you say that no one enters into the decision of abortion lightly, that is false. Many women get pregnant all the time and it is just routine to them to just go abort the baby. They treat the fetus very lightly. They don't care at all about the fetus. Just something to do away with.
I remember a girl in my high school who had already had like 7 abortions by senior year. You think she entered the decision of abortion wiith much consideration?
Strange to say, but I kinda think that your words are too optimistic. A tiny majority (roughly speaking?) of the nation saw Trumpism for what it was years ago. But what are they gonna do? For the foreseeable future it seems that there are too many Trumpists, too many blind/apathetic "moderates," and too many un-competitive political races.
and a tragic lack of leadership from the Democratic Party. Everything would change if we had a Bill Clinton figure who could talk to the people and take away their fears. But there is no one. Dem leadership is a vast vacuum of talent. Because, as I've said, we've made politics into a terrible profession, and the wealth of the nation has given much better options for talented people.
While it might be true that one or more D leaders could make a big difference (I really don't know, but I'm skeptical), I'm much more inclined to put this almost completely on the shoulders of the American people. Trump and Trumpers COULDN'T have made what they're selling any more clear. It ain't subtle. They're not trying to pull one over on anyone. A good country simply shouldn't need a Clinton to explain to them that there are better ways of looking at things. And that there ARE things far worse than your CURRENT fears.
If they DO need and don't get that "leadership," yep, that's a shame. But a well-educated populace sitting on the shoulders of hundreds of years of national progress simply should NOT need it. That they do shows just how incomplete the progress was.