This thread was originally titled, "Incredible development in the $612,000 Transcon Goodge run, currently ongoing" but the new title is more descriptive. The description of the run is here.
Naaaah, why would he remove the band like that for 20k and 3.5 hrs of running at different times of the day? Completely irresponsible. Since when do runners do that... He gets to the van at 0925 in the morning and says: "Oh this darn Whoop band, I'm gonna give it a rest for the next hour." No chance.
remember they had incredibly few visitors all challenge and he's out there for the majority. Chances of an unannounced drop in during nucalm nap about 500-1. Especially with the warning system they specifically requested. I'm not saying 0% risk to it all, just minimal.
They're a few minutes out here and there, but very tricky to compare time of day, with time of run - lots of little issues at play. But that 8.3 in 63 is a spot on match for a spell just after 4 hours for instance. And later, completely wild stuff with that 13.7, so even harder to match.
Basically though, yes, you have their definition for strain numbers and they would make zero sense in this scenario. Plus, on the long Strain explanation in their literature you just seem to get a big circle with your daily STRAIN rate denoted. Not laid out like this.
And no way would Strain be a 20.4 of a possible max 21 for a leasurely 20k first thing in the morning, before suddenly dropping to 8.3 for a quick section with 8.3 described by Strain as "minimal stress on the body."
If these numbers were Strain, the only ones that would make sense would be the two 13s. The others - no. Not sure who said these numbers were Strain, but probably just a misunderstanding by them, rather than deliberate red herring.
He'd be a poor ambassador to one of his main sponsors if he decided not to wear their product for a large chunk of the run. Surely the device is smart enough to record the data without being linked to a phone the whole time?
Or are we meant to believe this is another tech fail
It is helpful to compare Goodge with Timmy Zhou. Sad to say that Zhou looks like he was passed by Goodge yesterday in the amount of distance to the finish line in his Transcon effort.
Zhou. Day 86. 37.02 miles, 7:23 moving time. (heart rate rises the whole run slightly)
Goodge Day 54 62.4 miles, 13:30 moving time. (heart rate goes down and almost flat lines into the finish with a very slight positive split for the day)
It is easy to conclude that Goodge is just a far better distance runner than Zhou. But that conclusion would be wrong. Zhou has faster PR's across the board. Well then we could say that Goodge is more geared towards super distances more than Zhou. Well, we would be wrong again because they both have very similar annual mileage.
So Goodge is simply turning transcon distance running upside down with the ease at which he can do it. He is like the Harlem Globetrotters and the rest of the Transcon world are the Washington Generals.
Yet he speaks of going into a bit of a retirement after this event. Weird. Why not keep excelling and gaining more notoriety?
He'll be back. Theres no way he can keep away, after all, this is his income now. By that i mean sponsorship etc. I do believe a vary large chunk of this is going to charity, dont believe he is cheating that, just the run.
He'll have to plan his next one very carefully because we'll be ready to get boots on the ground.
Mabe he'll go for fastest Englishman across Antarctica, that should keep eyes off him.
They're a few minutes out here and there, but very tricky to compare time of day, with time of run - lots of little issues at play. But that 8.3 in 63 is a spot on match for a spell just after 4 hours for instance. And later, completely wild stuff with that 13.7, so even harder to match.
Basically though, yes, you have their definition for strain numbers and they would make zero sense in this scenario. Plus, on the long Strain explanation in their literature you just seem to get a big circle with your daily STRAIN rate denoted. Not laid out like this.
And no way would Strain be a 20.4 of a possible max 21 for a leasurely 20k first thing in the morning, before suddenly dropping to 8.3 for a quick section with 8.3 described by Strain as "minimal stress on the body."
If these numbers were Strain, the only ones that would make sense would be the two 13s. The others - no. Not sure who said these numbers were Strain, but probably just a misunderstanding by them, rather than deliberate red herring.
I've used Whoop in the past and I'm almost certain these numbers in blue are "strain".
IMO it's a BS metric anyway, and it's all based on Heart Rate, which we've already seen to be unreliable for this lad.
It would be a massive coincidence if these are similar to the KM run in the time periods. Have a google of "whoop app home screen" and you'll see all activities have this number next to them (in blue, same as strain up top), and never go above 21.0, for example:
As I understand it, they are definitely a breakdown of strain scores for automatically detected activities. The whoop band has no Pedometer and no GPS capability. You can start an activity and measure distance with your phone GPS in the whoop app, but it will still be displayed this way with strain scores in the daily strain view, the breakdown of distance and pace only shows if you click on the activity. My guess is he's not recording gps data with whoop, it would be a big faff and eat phone life.
That sait It all looks a bit odd laid out next to the Strava data those low strain scores coincide with some higher heart rates, and the timings don't match up?
A GPX is all I have access to via his strava and the only option I'm given from to download. As per above this is only the list of points that make up the route, not time stamped or any other data like HR, cadence, pace etc etc... So how have you managed to analyse his cadence, stride length etc from a simple GPX file?
Or is there a way I can get a more data filled file other than a GPX?
All the heart rate, cadence, GPS, and timestamp data are on Strava and can be retrieved and formatted into GPX if you know how to script it.
Since it's my own custom scripts and software used for the download and analysis, I won't be posting that for Cockerell to misuse and further make up fake numbers and falsify data.
But if you Cockerell shills behave and tell Cockerell to stop falsifying numbers, maybe I'll post all the data somewhere for download.
After having done quite a bit more research on this, I'm fairly confident this statement is BS and the data in-fact cannot be obtained.
Unless you are willing to publicly share said data, this is going to have to be filed under a massive "Trust me bro", and all your previous "analysis"null-and-void!
It will be interesting to see what happens to Goodge after this run. Just speculating here.
If this run was totally legit, why not follow a path of Dean Karnazes and monetize it as much a possible? Books, videos etc about how you are a different, super, duper athlete to amaze the world.
If he was cheating, I could see two paths.
1. He fades off into obscurity with his $$ cautious about having too many eyes of scrutiny.
2. He gets overconfident like most conmen who enjoy their spoils and does more events and gets caught.
As I understand it, they are definitely a breakdown of strain scores for automatically detected activities. The whoop band has no Pedometer and no GPS capability. You can start an activity and measure distance with your phone GPS in the whoop app, but it will still be displayed this way with strain scores in the daily strain view, the breakdown of distance and pace only shows if you click on the activity. My guess is he's not recording gps data with whoop, it would be a big faff and eat phone life.
That sait It all looks a bit odd laid out next to the Strava data those low strain scores coincide with some higher heart rates, and the timings don't match up?
Agreed, and I don't think we should get caught up on this point about strain, (although it is odd that it does look plausible it could be km.)
The main point of my post was the 3+ hour difference of Whoop total moving time, vs Strava total moving time for May 22nd, meanwhile both total overall times were the same.
According to Whoop he had 2 big breaks that day of c. 1h and c. 2.5h which are unexplained and almost certainly an opportunity for "muling".
Unless we can get more information from the Strava files (I can't seem to work out how), I'm not sure what else can be done other than possibly raising it with them directly.
For those tracking such things. On June 3, 1972, Englishman John Lees completed his crossing of the US in an elapsed time of 53 days, 12 hours and 15 minutes. Team WG is now (approximately) 53 days, 18 hrs and 30 minutes into their crossing.
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As I understand it, they are definitely a breakdown of strain scores for automatically detected activities. The whoop band has no Pedometer and no GPS capability. You can start an activity and measure distance with your phone GPS in the whoop app, but it will still be displayed this way with strain scores in the daily strain view, the breakdown of distance and pace only shows if you click on the activity. My guess is he's not recording gps data with whoop, it would be a big faff and eat phone life.
That sait It all looks a bit odd laid out next to the Strava data those low strain scores coincide with some higher heart rates, and the timings don't match up?
Yes, all very odd. I have googled lots too, and spoken to tech support who said that Whoop absolutely measures distance.
For there to be a 63 minute section there of 8.3, and on Strava at precisely the same moment he goes from 28.3 at 3hr53 to 36.6 at 4:56. So 63 mins as well for 8.3k. The coincidence is pretty mind-blowing, and Strain is basically coming down to 8 from 20 when his heart goes up to 163?
Hey ho, but it's still a major breakthrough that on Whoop he's only granted 9 hours running for the day. What the heck...?
How certain are we the whoop band automatically detects activity?
I've read up on the device on their website and confirmed it doesn't have GPS but can be linked with a phone to manually record an activity with GPS data.
Would the band still automatically record HR/strain activity even if it doesn't have GPS?
Hey ho, but it's still a major breakthrough that on Whoop he's only granted 9 hours running for the day. What the heck...?
Is there enough suspect evidence to register a complaint with the Charities commission. Raising money for charity comes with some responsibility on the individual doing so.