Finally...Unequivocal Proof That the Apollo Moon Landings Were Staged on Earth

Moon landings, alien autopsies, Area 51, time travel, UFOs..

IS SECRECY IMPOSSIBLE IF LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED? NO!

There were 10s of thousands of people involved in the Manhattan Project and not one leaked the information for decades. (Look it up, please). It's called DEPARTMENTALIZATION. The overwhelming majority have jobs that have nothing to do with major decision making; and often keeping their jobs depends on not speaking out.

THERE HAVE BEEN WHISTLE-BLOWERS ABOUT THE APOLLO MISSIONS - A NUMBER OF THEM:

Certainly whitsle blowers HAVE come forward (in addition, some of the astronauts who started not liking howthey were being used "accidentally" died in NASA (and non-NASA) "accidents").

WITNESSING A LAUNCH DOES NOT MEAN YOU KNOW WHERE THAT LAUNCH IS HEADED:

About the people who witnessed the launches. No one is saying that launches didn't happen. The question is, WHERE were those launches headed? In our opinion, they were headed to near-Earth orbit; while signals were transmitted TO the Moon from Earth (or low-Earth orbit) and relayed back - appearing to come from the Apollo guys supposedly on the Moon.

FOR THE FIRST TIME, THE MEDIA WAS HAMSTRUNG, HAVING TO DEPEND 100% ON NASA-CONTROLLED INFO:

For the FIRST TIME, the media was force-fed the info NASA fed them; there was no independent investigation or access to the original stuff except THRU NASA.

THE SOVIETS HAD AT LEAST TWO REASONS NOT TO EXPOSE THE APOLLO MISSIONS:

As to the Soviets: What if they TOO lied about some of their space accomplishments (most Americans wouldn't have any problem at all doubting them!) IF they had lied, then exposing the US lies would prompt the US to expose THEIR lies too. Also, as an and/or: the US at that time was transferring humongous amounts of wheat to them - were they to fall out of favor due to exposing NASA (assuming they knew); the wheat would have been cut off; tons would have died and the Soviet leaders woul have had humongous problems with their own people.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT THESE POINTS, they are reasonable explanations - and you may now want to re-think what you THHOUGHT you knew about the Apollo Missions. (btw, I am no Flat Earther nor do I doubt that NASA has done lots of OTHER things it has claimed to have done - just not the Apollo Missions as claimed by them.

In fact, it seems quite clear that the Soviets, in fact, did lie, and repeatedly, about their space-program accomplishments - so they did have THEIR OWN FALSEHOODS that could be used against them - thus shutting them up vis-a-vis the NASA falsehoods.

Did you see the link I posted on the 3rd part verifcation of the moon landings? If you did, you haven't address each & every key piece of evidence of numerous verifications occuring back then as well as now.

Okay...lets play a little game here. For argument sake, lets assume the all Apollo moon landings were all faked. Here's the problem I have with this as the logic doesn't make sense, and at times is down right ludicrous. If Apollo 11 blasted off with Armstrong, Aldrin & Collins all aboard where did it go for 7 or so days? If the CM & LEM just orbited the Earth for several days, wouldn't other nation's tracking radar systems pick it up and realize there's some funny business going on with NASA? ? How about the thousands of astronomers around the world that were tracking the mission? How many orbits would the CM complete over several days before re-entry? And Armstrong, Aldrin & Collins are all going to go along with this monumental conspiracy becoming American heros on a scale of the highest magnitude for a faked accomplishment? And how do you keep them quiet? Were they getting paid-off to keep quiet? Were they monitored 24/7 by the CIA? What about the president? Was Nixon in on the skeme?

So, I take it 11 was so successful in fooling the world that NASA decided to it all over again with an Apollo 12 encore? Why perform another faked moon landing when NASA already pulled off the first one with such precision? Why wouldn't Nixon announce that America accomplished it's mission with Apollo 11 and cross it off the bucket list?

And next with Apollo 13 - this makes absolutely no sense in keeping the momentum going with fake moon landings. Why would NASA send Lovell, Haise & Swigert into Earth orbit and then fake a serious malfunction with an explosion that put the world on panic for several days? Why would Lovell, Haise & Swigert go along with such a dramatic script, having to retell the story to the American people for years & years to come? Or did 13 actually try to get to moon leaving Earth's orbit and real expolsion did occur?

I could go on & on with the subsequent Apollo missions that were supposedly faked after 13 but it would be pointless since you've failed to address these issues and more importantly the 3rd party verifications presented in the link:

Pablo Novi wrote:

12) Along the same lines, such a landing should have kicked up a HUGE dust storm (heck the Lunar Rover driver said that THEY, with just that un-powerful machine, were driving thru a cloud of dust they were kicking up. Yet, in ALL pictures of the Lunar Landers, not one, not one shows a bit of dust on the landing pads! They should have had lots of it.

I wonder, when no human has "gone back" to the Moon in 50 years, in 60 years, in 70 years ... how long before people finally get it that we haven't gone BACK because we never went in the first place?

I am rather neutral on the moon landing conspiracy. When it first hit the mainstream 15-20 years ago, I thought it was quite plausible. But my argument caution comes from what I call the "somebody always talks theory," government secrets are always leaked because the people involved are never in complete unison and don't all like each other. If the government planned the the 9/11 attacks or staged the moonlandings some insider always talk is to the media.

But the fact that no country has been able to go back given technological advances is somewhat suspicious. Bringing this back to running, it is the same as the 1980s World records, FloJos times and white women running 47s for 400m and all the throwing records. Then there are the 1990s running times 1994-1998 times just melted coincidentally when epo was available and undetectable.

wake up sheeple wrote:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/bin-laden-is-alive-and-well-in-the-bahamas-says-edward-snowden/

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I'm getting a sneaking suspicion that one guy on here is doing 80% of the posting, including arguing with themselves.

There are 3 possibilities here:

1) You are stupid

2) You are a troll

3) You are a stupid troll

So letsvote letsrun.

Pablo Novi wrote:

IS SECRECY IMPOSSIBLE IF LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED? NO!

There were 10s of thousands of people involved in the Manhattan Project and not one leaked the information for decades. (Look it up, please). It's called DEPARTMENTALIZATION. The overwhelming majority have jobs that have nothing to do with major decision making; and often keeping their jobs depends on not speaking out.

No one would have to leak out any information as "Soviet spies penetrated the Manhattan Project at Los Alamos and several other locations, sending back to Russia critical information that helped speed the development of the Soviet bomb."

So, not so secret as you thought. ?

Ed Snowden is directly employed and trained CIA, but worked at NSA only just long enough to steal a bunch of their data.

Do you really believe he spent all that time learning CIA's foul deeds but only found NSA's surveillance offensive enough to turn whistleblower?

Do you really believe the US government would wait until he was on a plane to Moscow to revoke his passport, instead of doing it while he was in Hong Kong?

Which of CIA's secrets has he released? Nope, only NSA's.

Think critically. And do not apply Occam's Razor - political deception makes a stooge of it. Things are not as they appear.

Good points...why we never went back after Apollo 16 is weird, unless we've gone back under some secret military mission (s). Another thought on the conspiracy angle is maybe the Apollo missions were successful unmanned landings on the moon. Afterall, the Soviets landed Luna 9 on the moon in 1966 and Luna 15 was launched 3 days ahead of Apollo 11 and supposedly was orbiting the moon when Apollo 11 got there before Luna 15 crashed landed (oops). So, perhaps the unmanned Apollo landings were staged as manned missions. However, that would beg the question as to why the Soviets didn't fake Luna 9 as a manned mission and therefore claim to be first country to put humans on the moon. But I believe in 68 didn't Apollo 10 do a trial run low orbiting the moon and mapping it before returning to Earth? No one talks much about Apollo 10 which was instrumental in paving the way for the Apollo 11 mission. And funny that the conspiracy theorists never claim that Apollo 10 was faked - their focus is always on Apollo 11.

Faking it would have been more risky than actually doing it. No one in NASA would make that decision to undergo this massive massive deceit. The fallout if such a lie was exposed would be devastating to the US at when we were competing for influence over the USSR around the world. Real people would have had to decide that this super risky massive lie was a good idea. They then would have had to get other people to carry it out, then hire people to make the fake films and pictures. No way! Failing to go to the moon would be far easier to deal with than being exposed.

Also, it isn't just NASA. What about all the people that worked at the companies that developed the systems and built them. North American built the Command/Service Module, Grumman built the Lunar Module, Hamilton built the Life Support System, etc. Were they all in on the lie? If so, then that's more and more risky of the lie being exposed. The NASA directors would know that and no way take the risk of trying to carry out such as massive fraud. And, if the contractors weren't in on it, and they actually built all the Apollo systems, then why not use them! Far less risky than carrying out the lie.

Get that lots of people don't trust the government. But think logically. NASA is scientists and engineers, not some super secret Men in Black organization. Also, it's not just NASA, it's all the contractors that made Apollo, 10s of thousands of people worked on Apollo. It cost billions of dollars. Who would decide that a massive lie to the whole world, needing many many many people to carry it out, was a good idea? Who are the people that supported that "plan". Who convinced everyone else to play along in the lie?

Then, after doing it once, we lied 6 more times and threw in a failed landing too.

most people will claim this or that about the soviets

- Reagan collapsed the USSR

- rocky 4 collapsed the USSR

nope....it was Stanley Kubrick who bankrupt the soviets. his movie 2001 was helped financed by NASA and in turn he helped stage the moon missions. the russians tried and tried and tried and dumped millions and millions of dollars into it, but they didnt have hollywood to help out. im sure they did some staged landings but it prob looked so fake they had to scrap the idea.

m!ndweak wrote:

most people will claim this or that about the soviets

- Reagan collapsed the USSR

- rocky 4 collapsed the USSR

nope....it was Stanley Kubrick who bankrupt the soviets. his movie 2001 was helped financed by NASA and in turn he helped stage the moon missions. the russians tried and tried and tried and dumped millions and millions of dollars into it, but they didnt have hollywood to help out. im sure they did some staged landings but it prob looked so fake they had to scrap the idea.

Ha! Good one.

Watch out! I think I heard some black helicopters coming.

Defense contractor wrote:

"....But think logically. NASA is scientists and engineers, not some super secret Men in Black organization....."

You are naive. NASA is essentially a military organization with info-classification being standard protocol when things 'fall' into national security.

When you have nothing, name calling is the extent of your argument.

This is a kind of "shifting the goal posts". The AMERICAN people were totally unaware of the Manhattan Project for DECADES. That's a fact. I pointed that out in SPECIFIC response to the endlessly (and recently in this thread) repeated claim that when large groups of people are involved, it's impossible to keep secrets. The Manhattan Project PROVES that it IS the case that secrets can be kept from the American people despite 10s of thousands of people working on the Project.

That there were spies who got information and reported back to THEIR countries - that's SOP - (btw, I WAS aware of it - it was just not germain to THIS discussion about the AMERICAN people). Besides, the Soviet government, whatever else it did with the information gathered by the spies, it did not reveal this information to the American public - thus the secret WAS maintained from the masses.

Legit question wrote:

Defense contractor wrote:

"....But think logically. NASA is scientists and engineers, not some super secret Men in Black organization....."

You are naive. NASA is essentially a military organization with info-classification being standard protocol when things 'fall' into national security.

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB509/

First of all, a Flat Earther calling me naive is really funny. Secondly, your post doesn't respond to my point that it would be less risky to actually try to land on the moon than to try to fake landing on the moon.