Noahs Ark Found!...Well, what if it is? Does this validate Bible 'Stories'

SDFHJK234 wrote:

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936

I never did think that Hitler was the final word on spiritual values, logic, or political acumen.

accept wrote:

If you are saying that dressing up in a costume and getting sloppy drunk is paying homage, then I guess do. I use the excuse that I’m in college. I’m a terrible person. haha

Serious though, why don’t you people just accept people for who they are and what they believe in? This is the problem with society. One religion is better then the other, homosexuality is right/wrong, abortion is right/wrong, evolution/creationism, etc… Stop trying to convince people to believe in what you believe in! Live your life the way you want to and stop worrying other people think.

Probably some grammar errors. I don’t care you get the point.

Agreed but it is still fun to debate... :-)

There's fella by the name of Noah

Built an ark

Everybody knows he built an ark.

You see

What Noah do? Well he built an ark

But very few people know about

The conversation that went on between the Lord and Noah

You see Noah was in his rec. room

Sawing away, he was making a few things for the home there.

He was a good carpenter

Whoompa, whoompa, whoompa, whoompa

Noah!

Somebody call?

Whoompa, whoompa, whoompa

Noah!

Who is that?

It's the Lord, Noah

Right!

trotty moore wrote:

It was a story like everything else in the Bible, taking a real event and making it into a fanciful story.

The Bible actually most often takes mythical events and places them in history (as the Greeks and others did with their myths) The process goes from myth to historicizing, not the other way around.

Remember that Noah was from the Old Testament. If the ark is real, that only gets you into the Synagogue. You have to prove up the shroud of Turin to get into the Church.

And just what is the story of Noah about, anyway?

Man becomes wicked. God decides to kill all living things with a great flood (apparently God meant to say all land-based creatures, but wasn't sufficiently specific). God sees that Noah is righteous and gives him the heads up by telling him to build an ark and collect all living things. Noah does this and after the flood invents wine and lives to be 950 years old.

Does God prefer the the creatures of the Earth to the humans created in his image? Is this just a reminder to fear God because the God that created us and can destroy us?

I get a couple of calls about this (since I'm evidently not anonymous) and I thought this thread was deleted... Call me stupid or whatever but I was asked how the Bible was proven true from Wendell and others. I'll just quickly list this

1. Oceans, not flat on the bottom. Many valleys and mountains. Science thought ti was flat. This was written almost 3,000 years ago in the Books of Samuel and Jonah.

2. Stars. More than you can count, not the 1100 that science thought. Was written in Jeremiah.

3. Blood, the key to life. Science use leaches to suck the blood out until a few hundred years ago. Was written in Leviticus.

4. Water, running water used to cleans hands of germs. Was written in Levitcus as well.

5. All living males a common DNA ancestor. Science has proven the "Adam" gene.

6. All living femals have a common ancestor. The Eve gene.

7. Wind. Blows in cyclones. Science thought it blew East and West. Was written in Ecclessiases (sic).

8. Ocean. Has hidden springs to provide water supply. Written in Job.

9. Light. It moves. Again, was written in Job.

10. Air. Has weight. Was written in Job.

11. Earth. It floats. Not supported by Atlas or Thor... Was written in Job, again.

12. Earth. It is round. Was written in Isaiah.

These are off the top of my head and may contain typos. Unless Voanage comes on back from keeping me only, The above were given via to man to write given by God, proving wisdom that way beyond man to understand or grasp. Seriously, how would man be able to go to the bottom of the ocean to know it had hills and valleys 3,000 years ago? This is totally separate from Egyptians using math and brute stregnth to build the pyramids.

Lastly, I mention King David because someone mentioned it. Outside the Bible there was no proof that David ever existed. "Scholars" balked at this and skeptics used it to further their belief. In 1995 a team of excavators found the "house of David" and at the same time another unassociated group found tablets refering to a battle with a known king and David's troops. David lost, but skeptics silenced. Now history and "scholars" accept David.

la la land wrote:

SDFHJK234 wrote:

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work.

- Adolf Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936

I never did think that Hitler was the final word on spiritual values, logic, or political acumen.

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How many politicians do we know that say whatever they need to at the moment in order to win the crowd's favor? The term is propaganda, not faith.

Germany was a country of faithful civilians, Hitler manipulated that to his benefit. And (almost) every Christian today will tell you that Hitler had greatly misinterpreted any Christian source if he thinks it justified mass murder.

But following this source, Hitler in philosophy was a fan of Frederick Nietzsche, a devout atheist, pun intended, and I think very few would at all argue that Hitler truly faithful.

la la land wrote:]

As the good book says, "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Man seeks to worship himself, therefore he denies God. In so doing, he is in danger of losing his soul, seeing as how he denies the existence of the same, he isn't worried about it.

Satan, the great spirit of materialism, always works to destroy true spirituality.

To further your point about academics (and their mislead sheep) falsely proclaiming biblical mysteries to be "myths", the New Chronology of Egyptian kings proposed in the 1990's (which has since overturned the old conventional chronology) shortened the historical timeline by 400 years. Before the advances of the New Chronology, it was believed that Solomon lived in the Iron Age however evidence of the wealth and building projects characteristic of Solomon's times were not seen in the corresponding archeological record. Relocating Solomon to the late Bronze Age has proved to be a perfect fit with Phoenician-style architecture (that Hiram might have built) being dug up in the appropriate strata.

All those bible myths are hand me downs from African tribes in Kenya and East Africa. Our common names "Mustafah", "John", "Mary", "Tyrone", etc. all come from Ethiopia, Kenya, Sudan, Uganda. The languages we speak are all cheap imitations of original from East African words and sentences. So just enjoy the myths and old tales contained in entertaining fictional publications like the bible. They're fun and enjoyable.

More mis-information wrote:

...Hitler and Stalin are without a doubt the biggest mass murderers in the history of the world, and both were notoriously anti-religious.

Actually, if you believe in the story of Noah then the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world would have to be God. No?

So how about the Bible saying that the sun revolves around the earth?

And as for the Adam and Eve genes, all species must begin somewhere, so there has to be a mating pair that led to the human species.

If they unearth Rexing's trainers in with all the "ark" rubble I'll get excited. Until then, ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...

Just a quick reply because I am out of time. I'll try to come back more and talk about your "list" more later

But it’s obvious that you don't understand what the Adam or EVE gene is or is implying about human ancestors.

Look up mtDNA and the mutation process. Specifically look at how long it takes for this to happen. We are talking about 200,000 or more years not the 6000 years you were trying to push earlier.

Here are some other facts about the Adam and Eve Gene that you obviously don't understand.

1. The women carrying the Eve gene is assumed by most scientist to have lived many many thousands of year sooner than the man carrying the Adam gene. Key word is they did not live at the same time. So your idea of one man and one woman mating together to form the entire human race is false. Eventually people caring the Adam gene and Eve gene lived at the same time but it is almost universally believed that the women carrying the original Eve gene lived many thousands of years sooner.

Whoever came up with the name Adam and Eve gene should have known that some people would mistakenly think that this was supporting the Genius story even though it is not.

2. This one is straight from Wikipedia. Not the only woman

One of the misconceptions of mitochondrial Eve is that since all women alive today descended in a direct unbroken female line from her that she was the only woman alive at the time.[9][10] However nuclear DNA studies indicate that the size of the ancient human population never dropped below some tens of thousands;[9] there were many other women around at Eve's time with descendants alive today, but somewhere in all their lines of descent there is at least one man (and men do not pass on their mothers' mitochondrial DNA to their children).

3. All this really points to is that modern man can trace its ancestor back to Africa some time around 200,000 years ago. This does not mean there were not other species like man out there like home erectus or the Neanderthals. The Adam and Eve gene points to modern man leaving Africa some 100,000 years ago give or take a few thousand either way and slowly but surely wiping out the other branches of the race of man around the world or as the Adam and Eve gene theorize possible just breeding the other races out.

The Adam and Eve gene, even though it sounds biblical, does not support the bible in any way. Shoot you do know that Richard Dawkins one of the most famous atheists in the world wrote a book based on this very topic. If anything the ADam and Eve gene supports an evolutionary process contrary to the young earth theory.

i'm out of time so i'll have to go through the rest of the list later tonight if I can get my run in first.

The Judge wrote:

More mis-information wrote:

...Hitler and Stalin are without a doubt the biggest mass murderers in the history of the world, and both were notoriously anti-religious.

Actually, if you believe in the story of Noah then the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world would have to be God. No?

Well done sir, well done.

A sun revolving around the earth would also result in part of the earth being daytime and part being night...duh.

Fastnbulbous wrote:

The stories are METAPHORS. Please stop taking everything literally. If only people were just a little less stupid.

If you don't mind my asking then, what exactly are they metaphors for?

Yeah, that one wasn't too well explained.

Point was in line with a round revolving earth would dismiss a flat earth because the other stars/planets mentioned would have to rotate with the sun around the earth. Luke knew this of course.

Question, who said what about Moe?

The ark was a container to protect a few of the species on earth. Floating on water is what people chose to believe because that is what many believe an ark is supposed to be. Yet, the ark of the covenant was not a boat, it was a container.