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1 week ago 06/25/2024 1:36pm EDT

re: rojo

It's why they run the race in the first place. Worlds has a bye for prior champions - Olympics does not. We live in a "what have you done for me lately" world and Mu's fall was unfortunate. Olympics qualifying does not favor champions over anyone else - it's level playing field. Watching the replay frame by frame it appears that Mu turned her head to the left which likely caused her to move in that direction, and then her left leg may have made contact with Raevyn Rogers who was behind her.

Rogers, Huerta-Klecker, and Grace were thrown off the most by the fall. Grace ended up on the infield and had to maneuver the spot where two sections of rail meet in order to get back on the track. Those three had more of a claim than Mu. The fall took place in the first 200m of the race, but it was in the first 100m after they were no longer in lanes and breaking for the pole. For that reason the race should have been recalled similar to a fall in the first 100m of a distance race. They would have needed more recovery time for a restart but it seems a reasonable response to falls of this kind.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 1:44pm EDT

re: rojo

rojo wrote:
Re-Run the 800.
Link:twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/18054...
Update: Rojo doesn't beliefve the race should be re-run as he's now watched some replays. While he thinks it was an accident, Mu does maybe appear to be at fault if anyone was at fault.. But he's still fascinated that the rule book allows it and yet he's never seen it. HE's long said on the podcast he hopes to see it happen once before he dies.
ALl of that being said, I've rewatched the video now several times. No re-run should happen.
FYI. Here is the rule. Rule 163
. Any competitor or participant responsible for jostling, running across, or obstructing
another competitor or participant so as to impede his or her progress shall be liable
to disqualification in that event. The Referee shall have the authority to order the
race be re-held, excluding any disqualified competitor(s), for one, some or all
competitors seriously affected by jostling or obstruction or allow such competitors
to compete in a subsequent round of the race. Normally, such competitor(s) should
have completed the event with bona fide effort. The Referee shall also have the
authority to order the race be re-held or advance one, some or all competitors seriously
affected by jostling or obstruction that is unintentional or caused otherwise than by a
competitor if it is just and reasonable to do so
Link:mausatf.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06...
As Jon Gault said on the podcast, there wasn't anyone DQd, so is it still possible to re-run it?
Link:mausatf.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06...

The poster doesn't know what they are talking about.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 2:04pm EDT

re: lara_croft

lara_croft wrote:
She should have been entered in the 15 esp since she ran and won it last year! Why Bobby why did you not just do it as a formality?! Seeing her run the 15 after this would have been magic

Whoops got second last year

1 week ago 06/25/2024 2:10pm EDT

re: absalom_hicks

absalom_hicks wrote:
We need a totally different perspective here: the average citizen can't tell the difference between 1:53, 2:53 or 3:53 and watches races and sees the same thing over and over: someone wins, someone gets second,...
Why should I get excited about that and buy products? We need the extraordinary, like what happened here and it's a missed opportunity. I would have wanted to see Mu get up slowly, look around, then run a shortcut accross the field to emerge 10m ahead...
Imagine the entertainement value!

Our boring sport is competing with other sports full of little rules and opportunity for drama. But if cycling is able to find ways to make the sport more interesting to watch and follow, then track can too.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 2:10pm EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
lara_croft wrote:
She should have been entered in the 15 esp since she ran and won it last year! Why Bobby why did you not just do it as a formality?! Seeing her run the 15 after this would have been magic
"Hey Athing, just in case you trip and fall or you are out of shape, let's also sign you up for the 1500."

Totally disagree. Brenda Martinez tripped in the 800 in 2016 and came back to qualify for the 1500. Wouldn’t have been out of the realm of possibility for athing. Worst case here is that you enter and scratch nothing to lose

1 week ago 06/25/2024 2:16pm EDT

re: lara_croft

lara_croft wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
"Hey Athing, just in case you trip and fall or you are out of shape, let's also sign you up for the 1500."
Totally disagree. Brenda Martinez tripped in the 800 in 2016 and came back to qualify for the 1500. Wouldn’t have been out of the realm of possibility for athing. Worst case here is that you enter and scratch nothing to lose

I'm not sure anyone appreciates her mental fragility and likely also lack of fitness... do you seriously think they did not previously consider signing her up for another event? She hates the 1500 and has barely any experience in it, and is certainly not fast enough to be a contender on the global stage. The US us stacked with 400 talent and she would have definitely needed to race before the trials to be ready for that. Why put her in a 1500 she can't be competitive in and set her up to lose in 400 as well?

1 week ago 06/25/2024 2:23pm EDT

re: garmischgirl

garmischgirl wrote:
It's why they run the race in the first place. Worlds has a bye for prior champions - Olympics does not. We live in a "what have you done for me lately" world and Mu's fall was unfortunate. Olympics qualifying does not favor champions over anyone else - it's level playing field. Watching the replay frame by frame it appears that Mu turned her head to the left which likely caused her to move in that direction, and then her left leg may have made contact with Raevyn Rogers who was behind her.
Rogers, Huerta-Klecker, and Grace were thrown off the most by the fall. Grace ended up on the infield and had to maneuver the spot where two sections of rail meet in order to get back on the track. Those three had more of a claim than Mu. The fall took place in the first 200m of the race, but it was in the first 100m after they were no longer in lanes and breaking for the pole. For that reason the race should have been recalled similar to a fall in the first 100m of a distance race. They would have needed more recovery time for a restart but it seems a reasonable response to falls of this kind.

So doesn't that mean the athletes are responsible for ensuring they stay out of trouble? They have many lanes to run in, but some choose to bunch up and take more risk. Others find themselves boxed in and also at risk. Rogers may be responsible as well as she was running in a tight bunch as well and maybe could have been more careful when she noticed Mu closing in. You can't measure the level of unfairness to each athlete unless the actions are that deliberate and isolated. By 200 meters of an 800 the athletes have made critical tactical decisions which can make or break their race. Bringing them back to the start after 200 meters would be totally unfair to the athletes that were not impacted. If two runners in last place of an 800 final not called Mu tripped on each other and both fell in the first 200 would it make sense to call the field back? Where do you draw the line on nonsense?

1 week ago 06/25/2024 2:36pm EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
lara_croft wrote:
Totally disagree. Brenda Martinez tripped in the 800 in 2016 and came back to qualify for the 1500. Wouldn’t have been out of the realm of possibility for athing. Worst case here is that you enter and scratch nothing to lose
I'm not sure anyone appreciates her mental fragility and likely also lack of fitness... do you seriously think they did not previously consider signing her up for another event? She hates the 1500 and has barely any experience in it, and is certainly not fast enough to be a contender on the global stage. The US us stacked with 400 talent and she would have definitely needed to race before the trials to be ready for that. Why put her in a 1500 she can't be competitive in and set her up to lose in 400 as well?

The 400…? I’ve never mentioned the 400 as it conflicted with the 800.

I just think it’s a good idea to be entered in more than one god forbid the unspeakable happens (which it did).

She ran 1:58 two days ago. I think she could def hang in tactical 1500. The point is that it’s nice to have a back up option even if she didn’t decide to run…

1 week ago 06/25/2024 2:43pm EDT

re: lara_croft

lara_croft wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
I'm not sure anyone appreciates her mental fragility and likely also lack of fitness... do you seriously think they did not previously consider signing her up for another event? She hates the 1500 and has barely any experience in it, and is certainly not fast enough to be a contender on the global stage. The US us stacked with 400 talent and she would have definitely needed to race before the trials to be ready for that. Why put her in a 1500 she can't be competitive in and set her up to lose in 400 as well?
The 400…? I’ve never mentioned the 400 as it conflicted with the 800.
I just think it’s a good idea to be entered in more than one god forbid the unspeakable happens (which it did).
She ran 1:58 two days ago. I think she could def hang in tactical 1500. The point is that it’s nice to have a back up option even if she didn’t decide to run…

I cannot imagine they did not consider doing that. But that's my point... if they decided against it there must be a strong reason for it (e.g. she can't handle the stress, really didn't want to do it, or simply wasn't in good enough shape for it).

1 week ago 06/25/2024 3:56pm EDT

re: NERunner03533

NERunner03533 wrote:
Have an opinion on this, fine, but the blanket hate for Mu is bizarre. She shouldn't elicit such sharp opinions from people on here.

This is why I cringe when reading LR forums. Really makes one sad. And seems to circle round amazing talents like Rupp and Mu. Never understand how people can view the tragic moment so starkly. She blended as most do in an 800, blame not really a factor but horrible bad luck. Less than 200 in I would have called it back for one and many who were impacted. Seen it done. And you get downvoted. Bizarre as well.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 4:21pm EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
waxonist wrote:
You are all kidding yourselves if you think USOC will let a highly likely gold medal prospect in Paris fall through so easily. All because the process says XYZ. This is way above everyone's (including the top 3 gals'-congrats btw) hopes and dreams.
When was the last time some crazy exception like that happened? Last I checked Sha-Carri didn't go to Tokyo for example. You'd be a fool if you bet on an exception being made.

Sha'Carri's accolades at the time of the 2021 trials:

- NCAA Champion

- Top 5 sprinter in the world

- Cannabis is WADA-prohibited

Athing's accolades at the time of 2024 trials:

- NCAA Champion

- Olympic Champion

- World Champion

- American Record Holder

- Top 1 halfmiler in the world 2021-2022, arguably 2023

- Top 5 halfmiler in the world 2024

- Falling is not WADA-prohibited

Sure may be missing a few from either, but anyways

You are comparing an apple to an orange. Athing Mu's absence in Paris is beyond the individual. A US team that goes to the Olympics is supposed to always obtain the best estimated result at each event. In this case, only Mu has a chance to win Gold for USA. None of the others do. Based on your logic USOC would be sending 3 individuals, out of our tax dollars btw, for them to barely reach the final or perhaps place Top 5, tops. Meritocracy stops short in the presence of national interests.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 4:34pm EDT

re: Bob Sack

No fault of her own? It’s part of racing. Don’t trip n

1 week ago 06/25/2024 4:40pm EDT

re: lara_croft

LOUDDDDD NOISESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!

1 week ago 06/25/2024 6:26pm EDT

re: AssistantKeyboardWarrior

AssistantKeyboardWarrior wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
When was the last time some crazy exception like that happened? Last I checked Sha-Carri didn't go to Tokyo for example. You'd be a fool if you bet on an exception being made.
Sha'Carri's accolades at the time of the 2021 trials:
- NCAA Champion
- Top 5 sprinter in the world
- Cannabis is WADA-prohibited
Athing's accolades at the time of 2024 trials:
- NCAA Champion
- Olympic Champion
- World Champion
- American Record Holder
- Top 1 halfmiler in the world 2021-2022, arguably 2023
- Top 5 halfmiler in the world 2024
- Falling is not WADA-prohibited
Sure may be missing a few from either, but anyways
You are comparing an apple to an orange. Athing Mu's absence in Paris is beyond the individual. A US team that goes to the Olympics is supposed to always obtain the best estimated result at each event. In this case, only Mu has a chance to win Gold for USA. None of the others do. Based on your logic USOC would be sending 3 individuals, out of our tax dollars btw, for them to barely reach the final or perhaps place Top 5, tops. Meritocracy stops short in the presence of national interests.

Give us an example of an exception. It won't happen.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 6:31pm EDT

re: Trollminator

Trollminator wrote:
AssistantKeyboardWarrior wrote:
Sha'Carri's accolades at the time of the 2021 trials:
- NCAA Champion
- Top 5 sprinter in the world
- Cannabis is WADA-prohibited
Athing's accolades at the time of 2024 trials:
- NCAA Champion
- Olympic Champion
- World Champion
- American Record Holder
- Top 1 halfmiler in the world 2021-2022, arguably 2023
- Top 5 halfmiler in the world 2024
- Falling is not WADA-prohibited
Sure may be missing a few from either, but anyways
You are comparing an apple to an orange. Athing Mu's absence in Paris is beyond the individual. A US team that goes to the Olympics is supposed to always obtain the best estimated result at each event. In this case, only Mu has a chance to win Gold for USA. None of the others do. Based on your logic USOC would be sending 3 individuals, out of our tax dollars btw, for them to barely reach the final or perhaps place Top 5, tops. Meritocracy stops short in the presence of national interests.
Give us an example of an exception. It won't happen.

At the 2000 Olympic trials both Maurice Greene and Michael Johnson, the 2 best sprinters in the world pulled up with minor injuries in the 200 final. The US did not send either to the Olympics for that event and did not get a gold medal. Again, no exception will be made for Mu. Stop with the BS already.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 6:34pm EDT

re: rojo

I hope Athing makes lemonade out of this lemon. I really want to see a real go at the mixed 4x400 relay world record. The world record in that event is soooo soft. So soft that only one runner on that record team made this year's olympic 400m team. Mu could make an olympic trip worth her while by running both the womens and mixed relays.

Current record is, 3:08.80 in the mixed. Sydney, Athing, Quincy Hall, and Michael Norman should have no problem going 3:04 - 3:05. And then finally the mixed relay record would be respectable. The old record is such a weak team. This is how the record breaking team finished at this year's trials

Justin Robinson (9th in trials),
Rosey Effiong (eliminated in semis),
Matthew Boling (8th),
Alexis Holmes (3rd)

I want to see USA make an honest attempt at this event

1 week ago 06/25/2024 6:44pm EDT

re: wiederganger

wiederganger wrote:As for the 4x400m...are the US rules still that you have to be on the team roster to be in the relay? Or can anyone be selected? If she can be selected just for the relay/s, then the only fair approach would be for the selectors to insist she run some open 400s, and she runs faster than the women who made the 400m team. There is no other way you could justify her selection right now over the top 3 finishers in the open 400m final, or McLaughlin or even Gabby Thomas. Perhaps she could argue her case for the mixed, but Hayes & others should be considered first. Plus, I'm not even sure she is in sub 50.5 form at all.

The 6th place finish in the 400 (who is typically the last person entered in the relay pool, on top of those already going in individual events) was Isabella Whittaker who ran a 50.68 in the finals (and only has a lifetime PB of 50.17). Sure insist Mu demonstrate she can run 50.68, I guess, but I think its pretty clear she can. We are not talking about letting her replace those who finished top 4. Everyone knows relay picks are discresionary, so its not like she'd be replacing someone "who earned it" as there is no objective trials for the relay spots. USATF would be silly to not at least enter her in the pool.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 7:01pm EDT

re: MatthewXCountry

Put her on the mixed 4x4 with Matthew Boling.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 7:40pm EDT

re: garmischgirl

garmischgirl wrote:
It's why they run the race in the first place. Worlds has a bye for prior champions - Olympics does not. We live in a "what have you done for me lately" world and Mu's fall was unfortunate. Olympics qualifying does not favor champions over anyone else - it's level playing field. Watching the replay frame by frame it appears that Mu turned her head to the left which likely caused her to move in that direction, and then her left leg may have made contact with Raevyn Rogers who was behind her.
Rogers, Huerta-Klecker, and Grace were thrown off the most by the fall. Grace ended up on the infield and had to maneuver the spot where two sections of rail meet in order to get back on the track. Those three had more of a claim than Mu. The fall took place in the first 200m of the race, but it was in the first 100m after they were no longer in lanes and breaking for the pole. For that reason the race should have been recalled similar to a fall in the first 100m of a distance race. They would have needed more recovery time for a restart but it seems a reasonable response to falls of this kind.

Actually that was Hurta My Klecka who ended up in the infield.

1 week ago 06/25/2024 7:49pm EDT

re: garmischgirl

garmischgirl wrote:
... The fall took place in the first 200m of the race, but it was in the first 100m after they were no longer in lanes and breaking for the pole. For that reason the race should have been recalled similar to a fall in the first 100m of a distance race.

That's not actually a rule in professional athletics. It only happens in the NCAA, nowhere else in the world.

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