My value system says that girls and women deserve every bit of fairness and safety that boys get. Every last bit.
Your value system says that boys and men's feelings are more important than girls and women.
We both know that this discussion is about male bodies and never about female bodies. This is about "transwomen" and never about "transmen." It's all about male rights.
That's your value system. Misogyny. Sexism. Patriarchy.
Your chief issue is you see fit to define people through your lens and not their own. This isn’t Ladybugs, there is no epidemic of grown men putting on wigs and pummeling young girls. Trans women are women. They deserve all the safety you purport to grant women, but they don’t have it because of people like you. You are explicitly the bigger problem here.
There are a million things that people believe are unfair in the world. Most of us deal with them and move on because we have lives to live. “Unfair” is not unjust. Denying someone’s basic humanity is unjust. Having them compete in an optional activity against someone they are uncomfortable with is not. Children whine about unfairness, adults understand life involves trade offs.
And by the way, you are going to lose. You understand that right? Change is coming, despite how deeply and profoundly uncomfortable you are with it. Doesn’t matter how many screeds you post.
I don't know if I believe the "you are going to lose" argument. I think the pendulum of history swings, and right now, it is swinging back away from the progressive movement that I believed in so much in the 1990s. But I think people like Andrew Sullivan have explained why... the Left has taken "fairness" and "justice" and rebranded it as "wokeness." That means we have gone way past the kind of reforms we wanted back then.
People wanted to be able to have marriage equality and dress however you like and for gays to not have to be ashamed of their orientation. We got that. But the Left keep on pushing and now there are people clamoring for "trans story-hour" in the kiddie section of the library, males dominating female sports leagues, and people claiming that being a woman is a "state of mind."
And to top it off, the actual kids are worse off today than they were before we got all our progress. That means we need to ask ourselves if we haven't missed the mark and overshot a healthy balance for our society...
p.s. because I am thinking about this issue doesn't mean I am a trans-phobe or bigot. It means that I believe what is best for a society isn't always more, more, more of any one ideology. I sure hope the Right will do the same when they get policy wins.
People wanted to be able to have marriage equality and dress however you like and for gays to not have to be ashamed of their orientation. We got that. But the Left keep on pushing and now there are people clamoring for "trans story-hour" in the kiddie section of the library, males dominating female sports leagues, and people claiming that being a woman is a "state of mind."
Where are males dominating females sports leagues? WNBA never hand a single trans woman in its history. The same for NWSL and any of its predecessors or any of the top European leagues in women's soccer. We have a new indoor volleyball league this spring, and there is zero trans player. To my knowledge, no trans player ever played NCAA D1 basketball, volleyball, soccer, softball, lacrosse, field hockey, ice hockey or water polo.
We had one swimmer who won an NCAA D1 title. That window has now been closed. We had one hurdler who won an NCAA D2 title. That window is also supposedly closed. This season, we had one D3 sprinter who was 9th at NCAA, and one D3 swimmer who did not qualify for NCAA. Dominating?
So I am curious where those "males" are dominating women's sports. Can you give us any examples?
People wanted to be able to have marriage equality and dress however you like and for gays to not have to be ashamed of their orientation. We got that. But the Left keep on pushing and now there are people clamoring for "trans story-hour" in the kiddie section of the library, males dominating female sports leagues, and people claiming that being a woman is a "state of mind."
"Gays" being able to dress however they like has nothing to do with trans rights.
Some gays are trans, and some trans people are gay. But most gays are cis, and most trans people are not gay.
And gender expression and gender identity are two different things. Trans people are not fighting for their rights to wear whatever they like. Wearing certain clothes is a means to an end, and not the end itself.
A trans girl wants to dress like this so that other people can see her as a girl.
In general I think biological males competing in women's sport is unfair and shouldn't be allowed in meaningful events. Instead of just insisting that transgender people who are born male should be allowed to compete in women's events, maybe we could have conversations about how to make events more inclusive. For the high jump you could have men and women attempting to clear the same bar, but have a split level floor where the men jump from the lower side. On the track, you could build a smaller track inside the standard one to adjust the women's distance and have everyone race at once, or give the women a head start.
I'm not saying we should actually do this, but if the people lobbying for biological males competing in women's sport really cared about the personal identity of trans people and also fairness to women, they would consider such compromises.
In general I think biological males competing in women's sport is unfair and shouldn't be allowed in meaningful events. Instead of just insisting that transgender people who are born male should be allowed to compete in women's events, maybe we could have conversations about how to make events more inclusive. For the high jump you could have men and women attempting to clear the same bar, but have a split level floor where the men jump from the lower side. On the track, you could build a smaller track inside the standard one to adjust the women's distance and have everyone race at once, or give the women a head start.
I'm not saying we should actually do this, but if the people lobbying for biological males competing in women's sport really cared about the personal identity of trans people and also fairness to women, they would consider such compromises.
Congratulations! You’ve discovered a solution that both sides would find idiotic.
People wanted to be able to have marriage equality and dress however you like and for gays to not have to be ashamed of their orientation. We got that. But the Left keep on pushing and now there are people clamoring for "trans story-hour" in the kiddie section of the library, males dominating female sports leagues, and people claiming that being a woman is a "state of mind."
Where are males dominating females sports leagues? WNBA never hand a single trans woman in its history. The same for NWSL and any of its predecessors or any of the top European leagues in women's soccer. We have a new indoor volleyball league this spring, and there is zero trans player. To my knowledge, no trans player ever played NCAA D1 basketball, volleyball, soccer, softball, lacrosse, field hockey, ice hockey or water polo.
We had one swimmer who won an NCAA D1 title. That window has now been closed. We had one hurdler who won an NCAA D2 title. That window is also supposedly closed. This season, we had one D3 sprinter who was 9th at NCAA, and one D3 swimmer who did not qualify for NCAA. Dominating?
So I am curious where those "males" are dominating women's sports. Can you give us any examples?
Check out the two top goal scorers currently in the NWSL: Temwa Chawinga and Barbra Banda. You make the call. Obviously, professional sports leagues can make their own participation rules (and I can't name a single individual in the NWSL who has been disqualified for a failed drug test, so I am guessing they do not test the athletes). I think the league doesn't make enough money to test and with the LGBTQ push, they are afraid to enforce restrictions similar to those in athletics.
Where are males dominating females sports leagues? WNBA never hand a single trans woman in its history. The same for NWSL and any of its predecessors or any of the top European leagues in women's soccer. We have a new indoor volleyball league this spring, and there is zero trans player. To my knowledge, no trans player ever played NCAA D1 basketball, volleyball, soccer, softball, lacrosse, field hockey, ice hockey or water polo.
We had one swimmer who won an NCAA D1 title. That window has now been closed. We had one hurdler who won an NCAA D2 title. That window is also supposedly closed. This season, we had one D3 sprinter who was 9th at NCAA, and one D3 swimmer who did not qualify for NCAA. Dominating?
So I am curious where those "males" are dominating women's sports. Can you give us any examples?
Check out the two top goal scorers currently in the NWSL: Temwa Chawinga and Barbra Banda. You make the call. Obviously, professional sports leagues can make their own participation rules (and I can't name a single individual in the NWSL who has been disqualified for a failed drug test, so I am guessing they do not test the athletes). I think the league doesn't make enough money to test and with the LGBTQ push, they are afraid to enforce restrictions similar to those in athletics.
Temwa Chawinga, Barbra Banda and another NWSL star, Racheal Kundananji, are believed to be males with DSDs, not males with trans gender identities.
I believe it's an open secret in the NWSL that these athletes are to women's soccer what Caster Semenya was/is to women's track - which is why NWSL teams have been paying big bucks to acquire and import them.
Rachel Kundananji has made football history by becoming the most expensive women’s footballer ever after sealing a move from Spanish club Madrid CFF to USA club Bay FC for a staggering transfer fee of $860,000 (£685,000). This landmark deal, confirmed by Forbes, marks Kundananji as the first African player, male or female, to command a world-record transfer fee, underscoring the growing prominence of African talent on the global football stage.
Bay FC, the newest team in the National Women’s Soccer League (NWSL), has made an ambitious statement of intent ahead of the upcoming season by signing Zambian international Racheal Kundananji.
In 2022, Banda and Kundananji, both from Zambia, were amongst the 11 soccer players from sub-Saharan African countries barred from playing in the Women's Africa Cup of Nations championships for failing to meet the restrictions on natural T levels set for DSD athletes with testes competing in women's soccer. Zambia alone had four such players on its national women's team that year.
Banda was a big star in women's soccer at the Tokyo Olympics. Banda made history at the Tokyo Games by becoming the first player ever to score two hat tricks back-to-back in Olympics competition.
Banda's social media history shows that before Banda took on the name Barbra and started playing and profiting in women's soccer, Banda was living as a bloke named Bex and looked pretty happy and proud to be a bloke.
This post was edited 14 minutes after it was posted.
/origin-imgresizer.eurosport.com/2024/03/08/3924988-79732528-2560-1440.jpg)