HOLY CRAP WHAT A MEET in Lievin today (2 p.m. ET) -- Ingebrigtsens, Hassan, Barega, Muir, & tons more

Birdbeard wrote:

"The Ingebrigtsens have desensitized me to low 3:30 races. I want to see Jakob bust the doors down and run 3:29i. 3:32 is lame."

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So you wanted Jakob - who was reportedly coming directly from his base training camp - to break the Indoor WR with more than 1 second.

And it would be "lame" to "only" run a big WB 2021 around 3:32 under these conditions.

Theyre npt suspicious,Theyre downright blatant.The ethiopians,jakob and others are all drugged up out of their minds!

jeff tallon wrote:

They're not suspicious; they're downright blatant. The Ethiopians, Jakob and others are all drugged up out of their minds !

*You're welcome.

This is typical Letsrun.com. It will never change unless this forum is shut down permanently. Just distasteful.

xczvzxcv wrote:

"Pacing did slow down too much after going out too fast (27.15) to get the record, but he looked very good in those parts of the race that France 4 deigned to show around its triple jumper deciding whether to jump, which they absolutely could not have shown on tape after the race.

He said it was very easy, so he is in outstanding form already. Impressive how much he put on the field. He should be able to get that world record next time out with better pacing, but it's not necessarily worth getting when the real prize is the outdoor season, whether that means Olympics or Diamond League alone."

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I agree that Jakob must be in shape for an indoor WR time in the 1500m. I also agree that he possibly is much more focused on the outdoor season.

But this indoor PB gives him a good indication on his progression.

It looks like he is again one level up from the previous season.

He didn´t run indoors in 2020 due to an injury but in 2019 her ran 3:36 indoors in the 1500m breaking Tefera´s indoor U20 WR.

If he can also improve his 2019 outdoor PB in the 1500m (3.30) with more than 4 seconds this year he will break El-Guerrouj´s WR.

runderun wrote:

There's too many reliable performers in the 1500 and it will almost certainly be fast rather than tactical. 5000 finals are usually tactical so even if there is Obiri, Hassan, and Gidey, I could see Houlihan kicking at least one of them in a slow race. In the 1500, she will need to have her best day ever and it still might not be enough, she might need to run 3:53 just for a medal. A 14:30 is likely to be enough for a medal in the 5000

Sub 14:30 was not enough in Doha without Gidey and Hassan in the 5k race (4th at 14:29.6)

But I am also wary about last night's results (not accusing anyone, might also be shoes, bouncy track). We will see outdoors. Tsegay has been strong but also uneven before. Last year she completely faded in the Zurich DL but came back for Bronze in Doha.

xczvzxcv wrote:

"Lewandowski is by no means done. He made the shift to 1500m only in the last few years and has medals to show for it, finishing ahead of Jakob. In a slower championship race, he remains very much the threat to Jakob. But with Jakob and Cheruiyot both depending on getting away from the field with a very fast pace, Lewandowski will have his hands full in the Olympics or World's this year or next year."

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Lewandowski might not be completely done but he seems to be over the hill. Last year he was (IN MONACO!) 2.5 seconds behind his alltime PB in the 1500m set in the final in Doha WC 2019.

Jakob on the other hand has made a big jumb forward so I don´t think Lew will ever beat Jakob again in an important race.

But it is no shame not being able to beat Jakob. Apart from Lewandowski only 2 runners outside Africa has beaten Jakob in the 1500m/ mile since 2018 (where Jakob was 17).

These 2 non African runners were American. Do you know who they are?

CORRECTION:

Filip Ingebrigtsen has also beat younger brother Jakob a couple of times in 2018/ 2019.

Ridiculous! Laura Muir is one of the top five 1500m runners in the world, and gets beaten by 6 secs. Come on! Not only are those East Africa runners doped up to their eyeballs, they are also plain stupid! If you are going to cheat, for God sake do it subtly, without drawing attention to yourself. Its a disgrace and IAAF better do something about it...quickly.

Yorkshire wrote:

jeff tallon wrote:

They're not suspicious; they're downright blatant. The Ethiopians, Jakob and others are all drugged up out of their minds !

*You're welcome.

This is typical Letsrun.com. It will never change unless this forum is shut down permanently. Just distasteful.

That's actually a major compliment for any clean runner.

jeff tallon wrote:

Theyre npt suspicious,Theyre downright blatant.The ethiopians,jakob and others are all drugged up out of their minds!

Jakob is in a different category to the Ethiopians and not because of his skin colour.

Jakob is an amazing runner, but he's not doing anything other worldly given that talent and being hothoused with a genius father coach and two experienced older world class athlete siblings. Norway does not have a history of corruption and cheating as does East Africa. He probably has been tested in the last year 20 times more than Getnet Wales. Not to mention if he is doping, surely so too are his brothers, in which case collectively they are getting tested probably over 100 times a season.

Further he would have been pushed a little more if had he had somebody like Wightman, Kerr, or McSweyn in the race.

Ethiopians are suspicious because there is documented doping and lack of testing there,, they produce a procession of superhuman performers, and occasionally now some of them are getting busted or even, tragically, dropping dead at young ages. And their neighbours Kenya, where testing is a little better nowadays, have had over 150 doping busts.

If being far ahead of your peers is evidence itself of doping, then you ought to say that Herb Elliott and Peter Snell were 'doping out of their minds'.

Jakob also did not run 3:28 yesterday which would be closer to Tsegay's and the top 3000m men's performances.

If you really want to look at this statistically, you need to look at how many times 1500m is run vs 3000m for men Indoors, and then consider what is superior. For instance how many times the mid to long distance world class athletes ran 1500m indoors vs 3000m indoors when they were peaking. When considering physical running mechanics impact I would argue that the faster you run the harder impact on muscles and joints running on a 200m track indoors than outdoors. So 1500m is obviously higher pace, than 3000m and I would therefore argue that is is tougher to keep 56s avg per 400m than 59,3 something pace.

Everything about Tsegay's run is suspicious. She's goes out at a pace that even seasoned vet Tim Hutchins said was suicidal. And, how many viewers, watching that race live, were waiting for Ysegay to blow up? Unlike, Jacob's race were he got the jump, and the rest of the field decided to run for second place, in the women's 1500m Muir, who did everything right, was definitely running to win, and - like most of us - was expecting Tsegay to come back to her dramatically in the final few laps.

It's Genzebe all over again. The IAAF better come up with a better methods for catching these cheats.

Shoes or PEDs wrote:

Agree with analysis: if not the shoes, then PEDs.

My first thought: PED testing was non-existent.

The 3000m winner for men ran sub-3:40 the last 1500m and would done well against the 1500m field.

Then there is the 3:28 outdoor before this 3:31 indoor; the runners looked as though on EPO.

However, the shoes might be the difference. If so, it will be hard to figure out a quality performance, because something was really making a difference.

You’re talking out of your @$$. How does one look as “on Epo “? Your experience with this is zero.

Why be subtle? She won. She is no DQed other than in your head.

I use the tour de france logic I picked up back in the late 90s early 00s. At the very tippy top of the best in the world, someone has to win, yes. BUT, every time someone just rides (or runs) away from other superhumans like its nothing, they get busted shortly after. It rarely, anymore, happens (or should happen) that someone is able to kick for 400 meters when everyone else is dead, given the parity of training and great runners. It is suspicious. Hassan for one has been able to do this at the end of long races and it looks suspicious to me. The entire field has nothing left but you kick for 500meters? A 16 y/o jamaican can outsprint everyone...at 16? She gets busted. You feel like you know it when you se it now. Women setting WRs in the marathon by several minutes? You just know.

Why are some of the results not posted?

What! Beating one of there top 1500m women in the world by six seconds off a suicidal pace? Use what brains you have, for God sake. It's Genzebe all over again, and who thought she was legit ( apart from blind East African patriotic idiots)

I dont agree.I believe Jakob is doping,and so are his brothers.Yes hes an amazing athlete,nobody will ever dispute that,but theres no way in hell hes clean.He's being protected,just like a lot of other elite stars.Teenagers cannot run 1500 meters in 3.28,not without cocktails of drugs.Thats similar to chinese female teenagers running 3.51,as they did in the 90s.Otherworldly and ridiculous.