Robert Brandt ROASTS Tinman and Drew Hunter gets feelings hurt

Amory wrote:

under a bridge wrote:

While being coached by........Tinman.

But is that because of Tinman, or because of natural talent. I think that it's because of natural talent, and Tinman didn't screw it up. Which he should be commended for. He didn't turn him into a 3:57 miler by any means, in my opinion.

No high schooler runs 3:57 without natural talent and good coaching.

Rob could care less about sponsors. He trains like an animal. Relentless.

If anything, sponsors might appreciate someone who isn’t a people pleaser and doesn’t fit the stereotypical running nerd mold. Tinamn is kind of Toolish anyways. They try too hard.

I think Rob could care less about sponsors. Do pros even make money anyways? Rob trains like an animal. Relentless.

If anything, sponsors might appreciate someone who isn’t a people pleaser and doesn’t fit the stereotypical running nerd mold.

The two people enjoying this thread the most are Robert Brandt and Drew Hunter. (And possibly some guy named Andy, who probably has a connection with UCLA.)

This thread is 11 pages and growing. lol

Almost every single person on this thread is either 12 years old, autistic, or massively out of touch with reality. Normal adults. don't take random jabs for no good reason at our fellow professionals just to be mean. You can disagree with someone's methods or "attitude" and keep it to yourself. Are you outwardly hostile to everyone in your office who rubs you the wrong way?

LRCers need to get a life, go outside, interact with normal society.

It's Just Running wrote:

Almost every single person on this thread is either 12 years old, autistic, or massively out of touch with reality. Normal adults. don't take random jabs for no good reason at our fellow professionals just to be mean. You can disagree with someone's methods or "attitude" and keep it to yourself. Are you outwardly hostile to everyone in your office who rubs you the wrong way?

LRCers need to get a life, go outside, interact with normal society.

You got me on all counts :(

Stop being so sensitive. It's not like they're training partners.

Amory wrote:

It's Just Running wrote:

Almost every single person on this thread is either 12 years old, autistic, or massively out of touch with reality. Normal adults. don't take random jabs for no good reason at our fellow professionals just to be mean. You can disagree with someone's methods or "attitude" and keep it to yourself. Are you outwardly hostile to everyone in your office who rubs you the wrong way?

LRCers need to get a life, go outside, interact with normal society.

You got me on all counts :(

Stop being so sensitive. It's not like they're training partners.

Ok, so since you're being a loser you're happy that I'm calling you a loser? You don't think that's rude?

Stop being so sensitive, loser.

Actually, Drew wasn't coached by Tinman until the summer before his senior year of HS. His parents coached him until then, and then Tinman took over his senior year.

HScoachVA wrote:

Actually, Drew wasn't coached by Tinman until the summer before his senior year of HS. His parents coached him until then, and then Tinman took over his senior year.

That's even more damning of tinman.

HScoachVA wrote:

Actually, Drew wasn't coached by Tinman until the summer before his senior year of HS. His parents coached him until then, and then Tinman took over his senior year.

I read this time and time again and it couldn't be more wrong.

Drew was your average 18:45 5k XC / 4:41 1600 freshman guy, before his mother (coached by Tinman) decided to also try Tinman training on him. The Hunter's weren't even coaches on LV until 2014, and their former coach was complete garbage not getting anything done (like so many HS coaches), so they coached their son independently using Tinman training.

Here his mother (nick "runthe8") explains HOW she coached Drew from Freshman -> Sophomore year. Spoiler: It was just CV, tempo, combo workouts, and easy long runs. No crazy mileage, 50-55 mpw.

That 4:41 became a 4:10 1600, and the 18:45 5k XC became a 15:45 (same course) from Freshman to Sophomore year using Tinman's philosophies. After Tinman took over the training (sometime in his junior year), he had another massive wave of improvement.

STOP WITH THE LIES, PHIL.

Drew Hunter ran in the 16:40s his freshman year of high school XC with no previous running experience, as a 14 year old. Drew Hunter ran 4:33 in the 1600 his freshman year, not 4:41. He ran a 4:10 in the 1500 as well, which converts to a 4:28 in the 1600. His best event, however, was the 3200 where he ran 9:40 as a 14 year old freshman. Those are times that 99% of high school runners will never hit.

And according to you, he hit those with a coach that was "complete garbage" so you've actually proven that Drew Hunter is one of the most talented runners in US history.

LMFAO Phil and Tinman just got OWNED

albanese wrote:

Drew Hunter ran in the 16:40s his freshman year of high school XC with no previous running experience, as a 14 year old. Drew Hunter ran 4:33 in the 1600 his freshman year, not 4:41. He ran a 4:10 in the 1500 as well, which converts to a 4:28 in the 1600. His best event, however, was the 3200 where he ran 9:40 as a 14 year old freshman. Those are times that 99% of high school runners will never hit.

And according to you, he hit those with a coach that was "complete garbage" so you've actually proven that Drew Hunter is one of the most talented runners in US history.

So much misinformation without any sources it's getting annoying to reply, please stick to facts.

Oatlands Invitational 5k XC race

September 22, 2012 - 18:15

September 21, 2013 - 15:45

Result 2012:

Result 2013:

1600m Track races

April 12, 2013 - 4:41

June 7, 2014 - 4:10

Result Freshman:

Result Sophomore:

From September 2012 onwards (Freshman), his mother, Joan Hunter coached him and prescribed him the training that Tinman prescribed her and got her to huge masters PRs. She was in contact with Tinman on forums and e-mail to ask for input on how to develop her kid.

His huge progression was done on Tinman training. The 9:40 3200m, he ran on June 1, 2013 - after already training almost a year with CV intervals, tempos, low mileage, easy easy runs and long runs.

NO one is claiming that Hunter isn't talented. Of course he is, but Tinman training built him gradually up, allowed him to prosper and run in line with his potential. Tinman's point was that each year, there are 10-15 kids with similar talent (that's already top 0.01% or so), who either don't find into the sport, because they do cycling, or swimming, or video games, or who have a random HS coach who hammers them with hard intervals and speedwork and burns them out or gets them injured.

The main point here is - simple, basic Tinman training - 10k paced intervals, no high mileage, really easy easy runs/long runs, allowed him to improve tremendously during his freshman and sophomore years. Some of these 10-15 runners each year with similar talent might have also done it, but got injured due to training too hard, running too hard on their easy days, running 80 mpw as sophomores, hammering VO2MAX instead of CV, sprinting all-out each week, etc. Maybe they left the sport cos it wasn't fun to always be dead from the training.

tldr: Hunter = combination of extremely high talent and extremely smart training

Mr.Andy wrote:

I’m taking rob in any race, he’s the gutsiest racer in the NCAA! Also Rob would take Drew on a tour on the xc course

Rob is a bold guy when it comes to racing, you can’t deny that- but he’s by no means the gutsiest racer in the ncaa. don’t get me wrong, he’s up there, but Conner Mantz and others do more, and CM doesn’t get run down by everyone and their mom on the last lap- a la NCAA 10k.

And before “muh morman age cheat!!”, age doesn’t matter for scoring in the NCAA. You don’t get points for being the youngest in the race. If you’re going to use Mantz’s mission as an excuse, like I’m sure you or someone else will, then you’re probably slow in the head.

More FAKE NEWS from Phil.

You posted his 4th ever XC race, one month into his first ever XC season You are comparing a race he ran with more than a year of running to a race he ran with ONE MONTH experience and was likely at 15-20 miles per week. He eventually ran 16:43 as a freshman:

https://va.milesplit.com/meets/120198/results/221367/raw#.XvZ2I2hKg2w

4:33 in the 1600:

https://va.milesplit.com/meets/137431/results/250947/raw#.XvZ3FGhKg2w

4:10 in the 1500:

https://va.milesplit.com/meets/143880/results/253240/raw#.XvZ3S2hKg2w

9:40 in the 3200:

https://va.milesplit.com/meets/132830/results/252765/raw#.XvZ4RWhKg2w

You notice what you guys aren't bickering over? The progression or stats or success of Mr. Irrelevant Brandt.

Can I assume this is Andy Ehrenberg? Your username includes Andy and you seem to have a pretty romantic support of Brandt. Tbh I didn't think you were the type to go trash talking people on LetsRun and calling them "idiot who probably can't break 5min in the mile"

And yeah, Tinman is hardly an elite club, but they do have multiple world-class runners, and the whole point behind their club is to keep building and improving the group while nurturing a more positive and outgoing vibe than clubs like OTC, BTC, or NOP ever have. No other club puts in nearly as much effort to actually connect personally with the running community as Tinman does. Plus, say what you will about the coaching, but Drew Hunter improved from a 14:21 to a 13:21, while battling injury...IN ONE YEAR. And he effectively made the USA team for Worlds...

Mr.Andy wrote:

Rob would be the top runner on a team such as NAU or BYU last track season he was 9th in the 5k at natties and 7th in the 10k at natties, maybe you should do some research first before bc now you sound like a idiot who probably can’t break 5min in the mile

Did he have a scholly when he went to collie to run nattys? And is he going to run a half Mary any time soon or the full Mary.

TME is really just a brand to sell to high schoolers at this point. Hunter is the only one who has high level potential if he switches to a group with a better coach and people who are close to his level.

Parsons is an interesting personality but he had to switch to Germany to even justify continuing to run.

The three new guys (templeton, barraza, and gidibuday) are waaaay better than the rest of their group. Except Reed Fischer is a decent half guy.

They are good at marketing and seem to be nice people. But they're a whole lot better at that than running.

Remember when they spent weeks hyping up running a 5k at BU and then most of them ran well over 14 min or dropped out? Kinda pathetic.

Although tbh I'll probably buy a hat or shirt from them at some point, they do have a cool logo