YMMV wrote:
Ol' Runner wrote:
Jerry Lawson who ran some pretty awesome marathons back in the early 90s would log up to 200 per week. He was also legit crazy.
"Ummm, ever heard of Gerry Lindgren?"
Duhhh, ever heard of Dave Bedford?
YMMV wrote:
Ol' Runner wrote:
Jerry Lawson who ran some pretty awesome marathons back in the early 90s would log up to 200 per week. He was also legit crazy.
"Ummm, ever heard of Gerry Lindgren?"
Duhhh, ever heard of Dave Bedford?
Looking at his training on Strava leads me to theorize:
1. He's creating a huge base for next year after laying back for a couple months.
2. He's not just training for the trials. While he wants to do well there, Comrades is the arena where he can make a biggest impact.
3. With such a huge base, an all-out Trials won't destroy him for months and will likely be a huge fitness bump for Comrades. He can go for it at the trials and if he blows up just chalk it up as a hell of a workout. If he doesn't blow up he is a legend.
Seems like a win-win. He's smart enough to see the big picture without caring what the LR trolls think.
175 mile weeks are not common but they have been done. Shorter, Bacheler, and Galloway were doing 180 at altitude before the ;72 Trials. Dave Bedford would go to 200. Tom Fleming would get to 170-180. Doug Schmenk once ran 884 miles in a month.
YMMV wrote:
"Ummm, ever heard of Gerry Lindgren?"
you mean the compulsive liar
Pulling a Walmsley is where Jim overtrains leading up to a competitive race to try and boost his ego and following because he’s insecure. Then he flops, and his fanboys come on here and say he’s training through it or some other poor excuse. He’s a time trialer, not a competitor.
I'd hit him.
GerryBullshit wrote:
YMMV wrote:
"Ummm, ever heard of Gerry Lindgren?"
you mean the compulsive liar
Times don't lie!!
SDSU Aztec wrote:
You don't believe that Jared Ward can push himself as hard as Walmsley?
No.
Best in the U S at one time....... wrote:
GerryBullshit wrote:
you mean the compulsive liar
Times don't lie!!
I agree, but he's still a liar.
stick to time trials Jim wrote:
Pulling a Walmsley is where Jim overtrains leading up to a competitive race to try and boost his ego and following because he’s insecure. Then he flops, and his fanboys come on here and say he’s training through it or some other poor excuse. He’s a time trialer, not a competitor.
That's how I see this too.
Jim has too much time on his hands and he is insecure. That leads to waaaay too many miles.
Because you're asking wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
You don't believe that Jared Ward can push himself as hard as Walmsley?
No.
Running 100 miles on a trail is a completely different type of stress than a marathon at sub-5 mile pace. If his HM PR is an accurate indication of his ability he will have to run the equivalent of back to back PRs to qualify for the team and he can't. If he is good enough to make the team he should have been tough enough to run 1:01.
No Walmsley fanboy wrote:
stick to time trials Jim wrote:
Pulling a Walmsley is where Jim overtrains leading up to a competitive race to try and boost his ego and following because he’s insecure. Then he flops, and his fanboys come on here and say he’s training through it or some other poor excuse. He’s a time trialer, not a competitor.
That's how I see this too.
Jim has too much time on his hands and he is insecure. That leads to waaaay too many miles.
Nice conversation you're having with yourself.
Bipolar 2.0 wrote:
No Walmsley fanboy wrote:
That's how I see this too.
Jim has too much time on his hands and he is insecure. That leads to waaaay too many miles.
Nice conversation you're having with yourself.
Nope, different people.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
If his HM PR is an accurate indication of his ability he will have to run the equivalent of back to back PRs to qualify for the team and he can't. If he is good enough to make the team he should have been tough enough to run 1:01.
No one who thinks he'll do well thinks his HM PR is an accurate indication of his ability. Why would that be the case in one shot coming from ultra training? His only previous HM was off a period when he wasn't a pro and was not training seriously.
Ryan Hall ran HMs many times in the 63s, 64s, where he ran not even as fast as his marathon pace in marathons the same year. Heck, he ran a 1:05:39 in 2012. If you look at any of those in isolation, you'd have the wrong idea about his marathon ability too. That's actually not too bad a comparison because Hall was neglecting faster training/racing - like an ultra guy almost. He never ran faster than 29s for 10000/10K after 2007, the year he ran the HM AR and debuted in the marathon.
Walmsley did beat Ward and Fauble straight up in college. Fauble's coach said that he thought Walmsley was a 2:11 guy in comparison to his runners when Fauble was a 2:12 guy. Maybe he thinks Walmsley could be a 2:08 guy now (*with Vaporflies and more attempts/switch in focus, which won't happen)?
zzzz wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
If his HM PR is an accurate indication of his ability he will have to run the equivalent of back to back PRs to qualify for the team and he can't. If he is good enough to make the team he should have been tough enough to run 1:01.
No one who thinks he'll do well thinks his HM PR is an accurate indication of his ability. Why would that be the case in one shot coming from ultra training? His only previous HM was off a period when he wasn't a pro and was not training seriously.
Ryan Hall ran HMs many times in the 63s, 64s, where he ran not even as fast as his marathon pace in marathons the same year. Heck, he ran a 1:05:39 in 2012. If you look at any of those in isolation, you'd have the wrong idea about his marathon ability too. That's actually not too bad a comparison because Hall was neglecting faster training/racing - like an ultra guy almost. He never ran faster than 29s for 10000/10K after 2007, the year he ran the HM AR and debuted in the marathon.
Walmsley did beat Ward and Fauble straight up in college. Fauble's coach said that he thought Walmsley was a 2:11 guy in comparison to his runners when Fauble was a 2:12 guy. Maybe he thinks Walmsley could be a 2:08 guy now (*with Vaporflies and more attempts/switch in focus, which won't happen)?
Hall ran 13:16 in college compared to Walmsley's 13:52. 13:52 to making the Olympic Marathon team is a big jump, but maybe.
My point is that he isn't tougher than the other marathoners competing to make the team. Whatever it is that makes him a great ultra runner will not give him an edge at the trials. If the pace is too fast for him, he'll slow down like everyone else.
I agree with you, kind of, on toughness. Toughness is overrated - you look tough to others when you are fitter than others.
I've said this before, but 5:00 pace is just not fast for any of the OT qualifiers. What makes a talented ultra guy dropping down to the marathon interesting is that it might show that more effectively. Is the ability to hold onto 5:00 pace is more an endurance feat (advantage equally talented ultra runner) or speed (advantage equally talented 5000 runner)? Since I don't think 5:00 pace is actually fast, I think it's more an endurance feat, and that's why I'm eager to see Walmsley race in Atlanta.
Kawauchi has a slower 5000 PR than Walmsley, yet he's run back to back 2:08s. Plus Walmsley's 5000 PR wasn't indicative of his ability at the time - due to running in lane 2 most of that race, and ripping the last 1000 at 12:55 pace, he was in shape that day to go 13:35 in a time trial.
Ryan Hall has a HM PR of 59:43. That's a lot faster than Walmsley's.
Ryan Hall isn't running in the 2020 Olympic Trials.
Bipolar 2.0 wrote:
No Walmsley fanboy wrote:
That's how I see this too.
Jim has too much time on his hands and he is insecure. That leads to waaaay too many miles.
Nice conversation you're having with yourself.
Pretty sure there are 4 ignorant jackweeds on this site who post this kind of GARBAGE on every thread. The other two are probably sleeping.
zzzz wrote:
Ryan Hall isn't running in the 2020 Olympic Trials.
But Jim has the slowest HM time of all qualifiers.