JIM WALMLSEY’S TRAINING WEEK - WOW

loql wrote:

The mileage is high but the amount of quality lacks in his training in my opinion.

20 mi at 6:17 pace is nothing impressive for a 1:04 runner. I am 1:15 runner and I am doing long runs of 17 miles at 6:20 pace and they are just moderate pace.

Also running hills every day is not the best way to train as it just impairs super compensation unless you are going extremely slow.

a 17 miler at 6:20 is moderate pace?! And you have only ran 1:15? that's horrendous. I ran 1:15 off 40 mpw and a 10 miler at 6:20 felt hard.

zzzz wrote:

CoolStory wrote:

Wasn't he beaten this year in a 100k by a japanese nobody running 60mpw?

The point of that event was to get records while promoting Hoka and their new shoe. When it became apparent that a 100k record wasn't going to happen, it was more important to his sponsor that he get the 50 mile record than have a competitive race for 100k. Of course you know that already. You're just being a jerk.

Hideaki Yamauchi is not exactly a nobody. Just a 2 time 100k World Champion.

Walmsley on the other hand has won nothing of importance in road ultras yet. And no the 50 mile "record" does not count.

Jim's training does not look promising for Atlanta.

It looks like we can expect a DNF.

Getting good at running slow wrote:

Not much quality. Is the flat 20 miles at 6:17 pace supposed to be a quality day?

No, the 20 x min on / min off with Scott Fauble et al was supposed to be the quality day. If it works for Fauble, who is one of the 4 clear favorites to make the Olympic team, I'd say it's probably sufficient quality.

No Walmsley fanboy wrote:

Hideaki Yamauchi is not exactly a nobody. Just a 2 time 100k World Champion.

Walmsley on the other hand has won nothing of importance in road ultras yet. And no the 50 mile "record" does not count.

Why does the 50 mile not count?

Uphill running is less pounding. I am not surprised he can do more that way.

"We ran twice a day, sometimes three times. Twenty miles a day, sometimes more. There were a couple of 170-mile weeks... All we did was run - run, eat, and sleep." - Frank Shorter detailing his training with Jack Bacheler and Jeff Galloway prior to the 1972 Olympics

ecrivent wrote:

No Walmsley fanboy wrote:

Hideaki Yamauchi is not exactly a nobody. Just a 2 time 100k World Champion.

Walmsley on the other hand has won nothing of importance in road ultras yet. And no the 50 mile "record" does not count.

Why does the 50 mile not count?

Uphill running is less pounding. I am not surprised he can do more that way.

There are no official records kept for 50 mile road races and there are non of these races around. And there where also not really any road 50 milers in the past. It's just a number Americans get excited about. Funny enough there are still only trail 50 milers around.

Main ultradistances are 100k and 24hours internationally.

Looking for real records wrote:

ecrivent wrote:

Why does the 50 mile not count?

Uphill running is less pounding. I am not surprised he can do more that way.

There are no official records kept for 50 mile road races and there are non of these races around. And there where also not really any road 50 milers in the past. It's just a number Americans get excited about. Funny enough there are still only trail 50 milers around.

Main ultradistances are 100k and 24hours internationally.

Walmsley has 8.5 seconds per mile to work with going from 50 miles to 100km. If he can't get the 100km world record, I think it would be awfully close.

Walmsley can get 100km wrote:

Looking for real records wrote:

There are no official records kept for 50 mile road races and there are non of these races around. And there where also not really any road 50 milers in the past. It's just a number Americans get excited about. Funny enough there are still only trail 50 milers around.

Main ultradistances are 100k and 24hours internationally.

Walmsley has 8.5 seconds per mile to work with going from 50 miles to 100km. If he can't get the 100km world record, I think it would be awfully close.

Asking the 100km world record holder to do what Walmsley did for 50 miles (8+ seconds per mile under 100km WR pace) would be like asking a 2:10 marathoner to run 21 miles at 2:06 low-mid pace, which generally wouldn't be possible for them.

All bronze no brain training

Walmsley can get 100km wrote:

Walmsley has 8.5 seconds per mile to work with going from 50 miles to 100km. If he can't get the 100km world record, I think it would be awfully close.

That has to be seen.

I doubt it. Next 100k World Championships are next year. Let see what happens there.

My guess is that Zach Bitter will be the best US runner. He just ran 6:39 on track as a qualifier.

CoolStory wrote:

Wasn't he beaten this year in a 100k by a japanese nobody running 60mpw?

i wonder what Walmsley could have run on 60 mpw

what do you guys think

amazing grace wrote:

i wonder what Walmsley could have run on 60 mpw

what do you guys think

His brain would explode. Jim could not be confident with that low of a mileage.

amazing grace wrote:

CoolStory wrote:

Wasn't he beaten this year in a 100k by a japanese nobody running 60mpw?

i wonder what Walmsley could have run on 60 mpw

what do you guys think

DNF

100k runner wrote:

Walmsley can get 100km wrote:

Walmsley has 8.5 seconds per mile to work with going from 50 miles to 100km. If he can't get the 100km world record, I think it would be awfully close.

That has to be seen.

I doubt it. Next 100k World Championships are next year. Let see what happens there.

My guess is that Zach Bitter will be the best US runner. He just ran 6:39 on track as a qualifier.

The guy who ran a bit over 20 min faster than Walmsley when Walmsley walked in the last 12 miles of his event after setting the 50 mile world record? No, I don't think so. Walmsley's 50 mile PR pace is faster than Zach's marathon PR pace. These two aren't in the same universe.

Walmsley can get 100km wrote:

The guy who ran a bit over 20 min faster than Walmsley when Walmsley walked in the last 12 miles of his event after setting the 50 mile world record? No, I don't think so. Walmsley's 50 mile PR pace is faster than Zach's marathon PR pace. These two aren't in the same universe.

You are right that they are not in the same universe.

Zach Bitter just ran a 6:39 while Walmsley baby struggled to get a sub 7:00 hours in. Even 50 year olds have been faster than Jim over 100k. That's a fact!

Not seeing how this translates to a fast road marathon in Atlanta in Feb.

go away fanboys wrote:

He’s a time trialist and sucks against competition on any surface.

Pushing and holding a lead far from the finish when there is close competition right behind you that is applying pressure is arguably the toughest way to win a race. The mentally weak, and physically not strong enough, tend to fold. We see this all the time in races, and commentators often shift the perceived advantage to the pursuers as the finish gets closer.

In his last race, the Long Distance World Mountain Running Championships, Walmsley had Puppi within about a minute behind him just about the entire race, yet was able to hold Puppi off by less than a minute. At the Western States 100, his training buddy Hazen was applying pressure closely from behind for about 12 hours, and Walmsley didn't fold. I'd say he's a decent racer, not just a time trialist.

100k runner wrote:

Walmsley can get 100km wrote:

Walmsley has 8.5 seconds per mile to work with going from 50 miles to 100km. If he can't get the 100km world record, I think it would be awfully close.

That has to be seen.

I doubt it. Next 100k World Championships are next year. Let see what happens there.

My guess is that Zach Bitter will be the best US runner. He just ran 6:39 on track as a qualifier.

Zach Bitter just got beat at the JFK 50 miler by a young american- former pro triathlete only running his 2nd or 3rd ultra. Bitter aint that good.

Also the American who beat him- seth ruhling is really damn good, tons of potential.

Impressive training log.

Kilian waited for him at the line 6+ min at Sierre Zinal 2019, a 31k race.