Ryan Hall speaks out against Kipchoge and shoes

Runnerboy1 wrote:

Let's ban altitude tents, garmins, the new lighted pacing rails as well.

If Kipchoge wore one of the other brands with a carbon fiber plate would there be this much criticism? Doubtful.

But the problem is, GPS watches are accessible because the key technologies aren't owned by one company. Nike has patents on certain foams, the shape of the plate, and probably the air bags. So the shoes are only accessible to Nike athletes, or unsponsored athletes that have the money. Additionally it decreases competition, so the prices remain high.

.Trump20220OP-the real one........ wrote:

Irregardless is a word sometimes used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since the early twentieth century, though the word appeared in print as early as 1795. Most dictionaries list it as non-standard or incorrect usage, and recommend that "regardless" should be used instead. Wikipedia

I always use regardless. Women should not wear yoga pants, regardless if they are comfortable or not, because they may be oblivious to the fact their appearance is unflattering if they don't have the proper geometrical flow to enhance the fabric's visual appeal.

T.M.A.D.D.D.D.H.A.S.F.N.E.

HAHA! Now that's funny! Well played.

Why no hate for track spikes for sprinters? Or luge/bobsled spikes? Similar technology. Those athletes use them because its easier for them to develop power on plantar flexion. Why can't endurance athletes have that advantage? If you want to call them springs, fine- they're springs. So why are they fine for power athletes, but "cheating" for endurance runners?

If these shoes were developed by Saucony or Brooks or adidas, would there be as much hate?

Does anyone know the situation with the other shoe companies? Obviously they are working on an equivalent shoe as best they can while battling with the patent problem. Is there any word on how close they are or when new models will be released? Are they confident in getting it done?

I feel like there is a large market share up for grabs by whomever gets the first legit challenger to the next%. Nike have the best shoe by far right now and can extort their customers for it. And $275 is extortion. If you have a shoe that rivals the performance of the pogo% then you can undercut them with a $200 price tag and still making silly profits. I am interested to see who gets there first and what their marketing department will come up with to promote it.

Ryan Hall proclaims himself as the fastest full marathoner in USA history on his Instagram profile without mentioning it was downhill with a massive tailwind. If he wants to talk about performance enhancers, start without yourself Mr. Has Been.

.Trump20220OP-the real one........ wrote:

Irregardless is a word sometimes used in place of regardless or irrespective, which has caused controversy since the early twentieth century, though the word appeared in print as early as 1795. Most dictionaries list it as non-standard or incorrect usage, and recommend that "regardless" should be used instead. Wikipedia

Using Wikipedia to justify the use of irregardless. Classic.

None of those things give you a mechanical advantage. Do they help your body make more blood? Sure. Do they help you with pacing? Sure. But they don't give your body a physical push. I think that is the difference.

Marathon MAdfraeo wrote:

Hall took to Instagram

Middle aged man yells at cloud!

Now if God created these flats. He'd be ok with it.

Maybe these shoes would have helped Ryan not drop out of Marathons???? Or maybe not calling your self a 2:04 guy with a huge tailwind??? It goes both ways here....

Positive Contribution wrote:

Now if God created these flats. He'd be ok with it.

THIS

How how wrote:

Ryan Hall proclaims himself as the fastest full marathoner in USA history on his Instagram profile without mentioning it was downhill with a massive tailwind. If he wants to talk about performance enhancers, start without yourself Mr. Has Been.

Nothing screams hobbyjogger like calling the Boston Marathon a downhill race. Take your 4hr marathon and go home

Well it is net downhill. To quote the great Jack Daniels, "if ran correctly, you should be able to run 1 to 1.5 minutes faster at Boston as opposed to a flat course."

Marathon MAdfraeo wrote:

Hall took to Instagram to throw some shade at carbon fiber plates in shoes

Editor's note: Hall wrote the following:

With all due respect to @kipchogeeliud as he is clearly the greatest marathoner of all-time irregardless of the shoes he is in, when a shoe company puts multiple carbon fiber plates in a shoe with cushion between the plates it is no longer a shoe, it’s a spring, and a clear mechanical advantage to anyone not in those shoes. I’m just hoping @iaaf_athletics makes sure the upcoming Olympics and @wmmajors are fair playing fields for athletes of all brands.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B3uPF1cpAjk/

It's ironic that a 2:06:17 marathoner, who probably gained a 75 second advantage (so did all runners that day) from a massive tailwind and cites his PB as 2:04:58, would write something like this.

I tend to agree with him though.

I think the new shoe goes too far. One the most ludicrous women's world records has been DESTORYED in [because of] these shoes. Cyclists today can rival the times of Lance and Pantani because of advancements in bike tech. This is great but there are still strict rules in place regarding weight and shape of components that prevent clown bikes. As far as I'm concerned these new Nike shoes are clown shoes. A line has to be drawn somewhere. A maximum of one carbon plate would be a logical stopping point.

Or if Dr. Brown wrote him a prescription for the shoes with carbon fiber plates.

Concentric Hero - Eccentric Zero wrote:

Is there a list of barefoot world records anywhere?

Probably 2:12:00 by Indian Shivnath Singh (1978)

Positive Contribution wrote:

Now if God created these flats. He'd be ok with it.

PoD !!!

I don’t disagree with him. However, isn’t it a bit hypocritical when Sara is running in Asics prototypes that don’t follow the actual written rules?